Test Xiaomi Mi Note 10 Pro vs Nokia 808 vs Samsung S20 ULTRA vs Panasonic CM1 vs Huawei Mate 30 vs Sony RX0II vs Ricoh GRIII
Who do you give the preference in terms of photo opportunities?
Based on the done tests who is your favorite?
Xiaomi Mi Note Pro 10 [ 32 ] ** [46,38%]
Huawei mate 30 [ 10 ] ** [14,49%]
Nokia PureView 808 [ 13 ] ** [18,84%]
Sony RX0 II [ 5 ] ** [7,25%]
Ricoh GR III [ 9 ] ** [13,04%]
Panasonic Lumix DMC CM-1 [ 3 ] ** [4,35%]
Total votes: 69
 



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2/19/2020: Added Samsung S20 Ultra

Testing of portable devices with sensors: 1 / 1.54 ", 1 / 1.33", 1 / 1.2 ", 1", APS-C
At the moment, there are: Xiaomi, Nokia, Huawei, Sony, Ricoh [purely for contrast, since it is clear that this is a totally different weight category: APS-C]
We would like to get access to: Panasonic CM-1 Thank You Dora! Access granted!
The rest of the phone is not interested in principle [iphone 11 - small sensor 1 / 2.55 ", the resolution is considerably inferior to the Nokia 808].

Why I do not see Sensor 1 / 2.55 "(guglopikseli, Iphone, Samsung - it's all the same thing):

100% CROPS

1/1.2":
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1/2.55":
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nominations: best solution, the best dynamic range.

What is not tested: are built in hdr, ai, and other * until * under-algorithms, flash, video, performance.
TV "window" are not interested because of the tiny matrix, it is unsuitable for commercial photography.

Final goal: selection of the optimal device for a portable photo of the highest category.

All test shots do not carry any load artistic, stupid pervopopavsheysya technical material. Just I want to note that I have not paid for by anyone and am totally independent from anyone expertise.

Respond and ask questions I ask on the subject, it is not necessary to arrange the dispute.And if there are enthusiastic owners ready to spend 30 minutes of your time will be very cool.

The test is carried out in the MSK. Thanks for your attention.PASS

THANKS: Shurik006, Dora [for providing Panasonic CM1], Sekob


PS. In the vote there are several possible answers, as in the test are present not only phones, but also compact cameras.

I ask in the thread do not spam or write strictly on business.
The branch should be easily readable, and then based on its content will be made Manuals-for-posterity.



CONCLUSIONS HERE
SAMSUNG S20 ULTRA VS NOKIA 808
STRUCTURED INFORMATION HERE

Post has been editedgabby - 20.02.20, 23:43
Reason for editing: The final text hats + Change image



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Felismanulus @ 12/18/19, 13:47*
This means that, at the Mi Note 10 can not be backlit to shoot?

Can!
OnlyFingers need to be washed with cameras before shooting Not depending on the fact that you just took the device from the box with these fingers (right away, immediately removed, without checking and inserting Sim? - I do not believe), or accidentally poured a finger for the camera glass when the camera is first turned on.
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I do not believe in immaculate conception, as well as in the mustache, he lamps without a sala on the glass of the camera. ;)
In the glare and light hacides - I believe (when the glass is shy). And there is no mustache.
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Immediately I did not answer about "just got out of the box", but since I had any questions, I had to. Sorry ...

Post has been editedsparta - 18.12.19, 17:20



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Felismanulus @ 12/18/19, 10:47*
On Mi Note 10, you can not shoot in the opposite light?

No, why, what conclusions. So continue to find further.



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Scene: beds of bedrooms, day, very cloudy weather, there are almost no color

Nokia 808, ISO 50.
JPG 41.5 Mpix
https://mega.nz/#!zoa0...g8lmd6cfrwrs5di1c7ht1s.

10 Mi Note Pro, Stock Pro, ISO 100.
RAW 27Mpix
https://mega.nz/#!d1z0...i8s7rn9sfwc2tfb02x-7to.

JPG 108Mpix
A technical marriage was released - I do not post, lubrications


Treatment. 2888px width.

808
https://mega.nz/#!H5a2...LP1YCZG4RTLBTAZPDO4XMQ.

MI-MI-MI
https://mega.nz/#!opbjxkld!y-gkhabggguh4ouezw48glruurpce3aa_q_vmjf2zsy


Conclusions by episode:
The noise from 808 is presented easier (the details are not so killed) to shoot once at 0.6 px, to achieve such sharpness on Mi music, it was necessary to choose three times 0.6x and clearly, such topics provoke the appearance of greater noise.
It seems that all these 8p plastics do not really give anything - the optics of 808 looks better, and the knowledgeable people will not even be surprised. Plastics in M ​​M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M M MILLS ON THE PRINCE OF HOUSE ON CONTRIBUTIONAL MERS OF SENSOR.
Almost sure that Samsung, who will come a little later and on the same sensor will look a little better: can be replaced by plastic, the capture algorithms will improve, I think that both if their marketing is listening to the people, but it will be clearly more expensive than Xiaomi . And unjustiously more expensive.

Examples from the body of cameras and macro do not post, as they clearly do not pass standards of commercial photography.

In the following episode, if everything turns out the battle of note, Nokia and Sony RX0II. Well, for a joke, you can also look Ricoh.
The Moscow holders of Huawei Mate 30 and that more important than Panasonic CM-1 and did not appear.

That's it.

UPD. And yes, the permission from the edges of the frame in the mi does not fall faster than 808.

Post has been editedspacedrone808 - 11.01.20, 21:30



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SpacedRone808 @ 12/18/19, 17:30*
MoscowHuawei Mate 30 owners And what is more important than Panasonic CM-1 never appeared .

Oops ... :( "Kina will not": "(



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Sparta @ 12/18/19, 14:41*
Oops ... :( "Kina will not": "(


They have a chance to drag until December 24th.
Time you just need 5 minutes.


To be honest, I do not really understand the meaning of these 108 MPIX, from a professional point of view - I did not see any. Can anyone explain to me?
I suspect that this is marketing, people love to buy numbers, or rather to sell them easier for them. And for some reason, among the number figures, the number 8, hmm what would it ...

Post has been editedspacedrone808 - 18.12.19, 17:56



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Sparta @ 12/18/19, 14:09*
In the glare and light hacides - I believe (when the glass is shy).

In the picture where the lamp, you can easily guess from whom the glare is cooler and more beautiful.



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* spacedrone808, What is the meaning of this action, if nokia on certain manual settings? : D What I don't know on a minote, but BB went there anything is notable, already at 12k, really automatics of Shalit;)

For the sake of interest, showed Rav as it is, only BB shifted on 5k. Full sizes of Nokia resize up to 6000 for the most side.

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FXA @ 12/18/19, 17:36*
What is the meaning of this action, if nokia on certain manual settings?

And the same camera on the minimum ISO. On Nokia Exposition -0.7 So, as the sensor that in the "Dynamic range is worse than 80 $ -e phones"
There are no other "special" settings.

At this stage, the notes do not impress the "Wow-I-I leave it."
The other day I will try the above-mentioned camera applications.
Maybe there will be different.

Post has been editedspacedrone808 - 18.12.19, 21:43



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We continue. Camera API 2. Curious.

Episode: And again, gloomy morning in a residential area.

MI Note 10 Pro 8P

Stock 27Mpix Raw.
https://mega.nz/#!uoba...siii-c56mm9nvvd6bckus

Stock 108mpix jpg.
https://mega.nz/#!z9ic...Oqqzi0kaszymtf33xwdwu8.

OPEN CAMERA
https://mega.nz/#!f5zk...n_qlyrjr5r_jptsffi302i

Snap Camera.
https://mega.nz/#!F9AW...PCW82U-0R4VMAPJRDN08L4.

FX Camera.
https://mega.nz/#!zxag...etxcsmeomrc73_uarkhycq


Nokia 808.
https://mega.nz/#!mlig...f4pn9eqsjne5iv0jtbxqva.

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Manifested: 2888 px

MI Note 10 Pro 8P

Stock 27Mpix Raw.
https://mega.nz/#!e5yw...gv-pacrhpz7gtweyuijb9e.

Stock 108mpix jpg.
https://mega.nz/#!z9rc...fn3jokfgg2zvqm-9yrs31a.

OPEN CAMERA
https://mega.nz/#!u9ym...qq3Ixusenoe2cgqmrffcay.

Snap Camera.
https://mega.nz/#!Vgiq...e_ww5e4u3cabcvft-tw5wm.

FX Camera.
https://mega.nz/#!DKQA...6RBSGJKYBCBEHYDLT4PNNE.


Nokia 808.
https://mega.nz/#!Vpj2...djj7cyzqlz7qvdvpgovfky

Nokia 808 LIL BOOST
https://mega.nz/#!O1bq...0s49leftbwslz3upn1kype


Findings:
In the pictures, I tried to support the same brightness, in the FX chamber with a little moved a little, by the way she had a raw less than all: 27Mb instead of 52MB in the rest. But in general, all applications are removed within the error.
The dynamic range - here everything is clear from Nokia there is no chance, due to the very old FSI sensor, but to resolve the old woman holds a bar and so far (this fact is very amused taking into account the cosmic numbers of Ksyomi in 108 MPIXELS).
With regard to noise - I repeat that in Ksyomy he is more nasty. I also want to note that in the 108 MI Note mode I gave a very correct exposure in automatic settings, the color-bright range turned out to be chic, but with items as it is not clear, somewhere well, and somewhere there are failures.
RAW In this regard, it seems more details despite a much smaller amount of MPIXELS. If anyone does not try to repeat the dramatic 108 mpixel mode from the stock Raw and lay out here, I think it should succeed (I came out less contrast). Having fun!


In the following series: Battle with Sony RX0 II, sensor - 1 ", cut - 15 MPIX.

Post has been editedspacedrone808 - 19.12.19, 12:33



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Suddenly, time appeared - I do not lose opportunities, things further.

Plot: House of bricks, overcast 80%, but there are lumens.

Raw

MI Note 10 Pro 8P RAW <- For an unknown reason, for some reason JPG was recorded, not DNG. So there will be another test.
https://mega.nz/#!7oyu...aezsb1s3n9ao6kppuyiua4.

MI Note 10 Pro 8P 108MPIX JPG
https://mega.nz/#!jkr0...ahwylfd1u6wtxtuhi7cccy

Nokia 808.
https://mega.nz/#!ysra...fy3drcrnj_mwdv88f8cbqu

Ricoh Griii.
https://mega.nz/#!3waa...nipjry4cpx2pbzulladwha.

Sony RX0II.
https://mega.nz/#!mxri...j0bkwvixy5keoiximsmtjq

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Mante: 2888px width

MI Note 10 Pro 8P
https://mega.nz/#!N0R2...-0 x9pcx5dosowa09Oroks.

MI Note 10 Pro 8P 108MPIX JPG
https://mega.nz/#!Loja...oldln0l-z0mjt27z0e66lm

Nokia 808.
https://mega.nz/#!k8qk...uofghucc08a33dmgi-h5xy

Ricoh Griii.
https://mega.nz/#!jlam...g-mi48i3mjappbpy9yjuxk.

Sony RX0II.
https://mega.nz/#!wpzw...drfjnffxjfcfck2lppay74


Conclusions: In connection with the easy fiel (I love computers), the test will have to remake, but already on another random object. So, Stay Tuned.
But a few words will still say.

Sony strangled with marketing greed solve the possibilities of RX0, but at the same time the device has an excellent dynamic range for such babies.
The rico is clear in the resolution of the king, the APTS Matrix decides, although the range of color is slightly worse than that of Sony Rx0. Damn did not expect.
Nokia in permission as usual is good, DD - no, it is spelled out to shoot sunsets and dawn only in sunny weather, in this case the lack of DD is treated with construction, in cloud weather.

Resolution:
1.Ricoh.
2.nokia 808 and a little lagging MI-NOTE (108 MPIX mode)
4.Sony RX0.

Dynamic range:
1.Sony RX0.
2.mi-note (108 MPIX mode) and a little lagging behind Ricoh!?! ??! [Rewrker]
3.Nokia 808.

Post has been editedspacedrone808 - 19.12.19, 20:44



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* spacedrone808 , dude, you are very cool)
Waiting for the completion of your test.
Really not biased comparison



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I really do on the drum, I didn't buy anyone. I just choose my smallest camera.



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Now I am waiting for good weather and in some kind of dramatic location where the final battle will be held, given all the insufficient of the previously collected:
Minote 10 VS Nokia 808 VS Sony RX0II VS Rixoh GR3. Mate 30, CM-1 - overboard, and sorry.


If the Cold head of Mate 30 should not go far from P30 Pro, and if so it is not scary.
Panasonic CM-1 is too cumbersome and a panel with a huge lens, with such sizes it is easier to use the same Ricoh Griii, which has an APS-C matrix.



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Without huvaya is sorely (



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mamapapa33 @ 19.12.19, 22:25*
Without huvaya sorely

Well, I already have no spare 60 thousand, clean on try as it and then sell for 50 if something goes wrong.

By the way, the version is not even better: 40 MP, F / 1.8, 27MM (WIDE), 1 / 1.54 ", costs 40000.U about 1 / 1.7" on the same viewing angle, and 1 / 1.54 "on wigs.

Post has been editedspacedrone808 - 20.12.19, 09:50



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As far as I see the owners of Huava, Nickap is not interesting. Well, as they say, you want to do well, do it yourself. There will be a comparison with Huawei Mate 30. And I think the question will be closed.



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* spacedrone808,

Crop MI Note 10 VS Nokia 808
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Express conclusions
1) MI NOTE suffers from Peresharp, characteristic of most mobile devices. I doubt that on the Rave you can get a varia-pure source. Even big cameras do not give it, i.e. Full material only shot from the matrix. For example, Sony looked from the matrix of the low frequency filter, but the Muire cleans the processor processor. Those. From Rava, I am not waiting that another picture will be principled here. Pull out the glare or shadows, yes, in theory, it is possible in the idea of ​​Rave than in JPEG. Nokia 808 is just closer to large camera pictures.
2) got out a small ha, although on Ricoh there is clearly more.
3) Nokia 808 is unplanned, I do not appreciate this moment, because It was made consciously to the sky not to fill in the glare.

And who is the kind of commercial shooting? For me, so key moment is the light. In the studio light, you can pull a very worthy result. Only in the case of mobile shooting, you need to put a permanent, and not impulse, which is clearly more expensive, plus some specificity. If the reporting, well, maybe, but again there will be a number of restrictions. Or is it about drains?



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SpacedRone808 @ 12/20/19, 02:01*
By the way, the version is not even better: 40 MP, F / 1.8, 27MM (WIDE), 1 / 1.54 "

This is a mistake, such a big sensor is only at ultrashika of the passage, with whom it makes no sense to compare - all other devices (except cheaomi) are not able to compete in this discipline due to the absence of such a focal.
In the usual Mate 30 already "standard" size 1 / 1.7 "with RyyB filters, distinguished only in the lenses 1.8 against 1.6 y about. It was also used in the P30 / P30 Pro rule. Yes, and Mate 20 Pro / P20 Pro had the same size , it's actually and answer why

SpacedRone808 @ 12/20/19, 11:30*
Hasava's owners are not interesting

I compared in my time and with the poot and with P20 Pro, with P30 Pro I did not even even become, and it makes no sense - nothing new there. If you think in terms of detail, then it will be more interesting to take some 48pm Honor.

ZY In the meantime, I showed the equity with the laptop and pulled the shadows of Nokia, Resayz to 6k. I do not know, but I do not see where Nokia is permission;)

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Posted on 12/20/2019, 13:25:

SpacedRone808 @ 12/20/19, 01:12*
Panasonic CM-1 is too cumbersome and panel with a huge lens, with such sizes it is easier to use the same Ricoh Griai, who has an APS-C matrix

I would say that if there is a smartphone in my pocket, no of these tips is needed - Panasonic is already not a smartphone practically, and modern standards require several focal. And the manufacturer of printers there. I prefer MicrГ© with replaceable optics for special occasions, which actually makes. Moreover, I remove either for a portrait of ~ 100mm, or a super-28-280. Standard ~ 30 per all interesting, let there at least a medium format will be with ultra-quality, but no.



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FXA @ 12/20/19, 10:21*
this is mistake

https://www.gsmarena.com/huawei_mate_30-9886.php.



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* spacedrone808, So write them to correct :)


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