My phone shoots better!



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The main purpose of this discussion - see who is steeper camera

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About the topic
Share your photos
(No retouching and effects overlay! Software version and the Camera application (other than stock) are recommended to indicate! And it is desirable to add a pair of photos from the drain in order to understand the difference). And the public will decide how high / low quality the photo was taken.


In general, let's become people back. It's time to leave any local conflicts in the past and reduce the degree. Please, if the photo was processed - to indicate, and quite perfectly - to add the original frame to the processing or camera Zhpeg from the pair of Rav (if shown this).

Specify the model of your phone, which you made your masterpiece ;
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Detailing contests!


FAQ for beginners
• Detailing
• Exposure
• White balance (WB)
• Colour
• Dynamic range (DD)
• Composition


Decryption

From kamaitachi
Detailing- The number of parts in the photo. atmainlydetermined by the quality of the optics, the so-called line resolution per millimeter / inch / lb / mile, etc. how many tree branches will be seen in the photo depends on it.

Sharpness- sharpness of the boundaries between contrasting parts of the frame. depends on it like a twig will stand out clearly against the sky. It is highly dependent on the level of Sharpe during processing. excess Sharp - branch will be drawn in bold marker will appear "glued" to the frame and around it will be an unpleasant aura of branches for emphasizing borders.

White balance- a difficult discipline, if greatly simplified, the image can be warm (care in yellow / red / orange), cold (blue) or dead (green, especially tin when a person’s face goes green). A good bb is when the picture looks natural, and not blue / green / yellow, etc. Not always good bb coincides with the real. there are nuances.

Colour- also a difficult discipline. usually means smooth tonal transitions, the number of semitones, but again there are nuances. if there are fewer colors, the color looks richer, but the transitions between the shades with sharp edges, a large number of halftones look smooth, but pale. Here is such a paradox.

Exposition- very simplistic lightness of the picture depends on the shutter speed, ISO and aperture. Since in the overwhelming majority of phones the aperture is fixed, it is only from iso (the higher, the brighter, but noisier) and the shutter speed (the longer, the brighter, but the more chance to get a blur). More details are already on photo sites, the topic is sucked millions of times.

Dynamic range- roughly the number of gradation between the lightest and darkest portion of the picture. measured in feet, which are 2 to the power of H. flooded one color picture - 0 stops (2 ^ 0 = 1), the image of only black and white pixels is 1 foot (2 ^ 1) and so on. mobile telephones typically have 9-10 stops in chambers 16, 20 have eyes (strongly depends instance Homo sapiens). dd depends on how much detail capture chamber when the contrast stage (the sun in the frame). completely overexposed sky and black soil - a narrow dd, lit by the sun and a point on the ground a lot of detail - a dd.

Composition- in the frame, the eye must for something to cling to. Typically, mesh look contrasting objects, the leading line (the line along which the viewer's eye, it is desirable to also lead to the main objects), or broken corners / wavy lines in the frame. The frame should not be empty, but it is not necessary to do a photo of only one object. All objects have the environment, the background, the world around them with that object interacts. For example in the portrait (except the studio on a uniform background) people look better against the background of the embankment, the forest, the city than on the background of sky. Major errors in the portrait - growing out of your head or branch body, poles, background merges with the man, the background much brighter person mottled background distracting, dirty background (trash, debris, dirt), an unnatural position of the body, protruding elbows, hands on location, framing of joints (as a person becomes "a cripple"), unnatural emotion (permissible in the fashion and advertising), the unnatural complexion (the so-called skintone). In landscape photography is good practice to the presence of the front, middle and long-distance plans, availability perspective, recognizable color, the presence of an equilibrium in the frame (that is not visually appeared. That one edge "outweigh" the other), flat horizon (funny, but a couple of degrees of the dam is already visible eye and a person uncomfortable to look at a landscape), the presence of the main subject (the lake, a lonely tree, mountain).

In general, if the eye clings and there is a main object not too far away and not from edge to edge of the picture, harmonious (very simplistic - pleasant for the viewer) colors are good. Errors voiced above (branches from the head, littered horizon, no main object, colorful background) - bad.

What is the difference between "color" and "detail" on the basis of the above definitions?

color - the number of shades on the branches, detail - the number of branches themselves. Sharpness - the clarity of the boundaries of the branches.
From sparta
Sharpness- natural clarity of physical objects in the frame. If the object in the frame is out of focus, then it looks fuzzy, blurry, i.e. not sharp.
Not all objects in the frame must necessarily be sharp, for example, in portrait photos, the face of a person in the foreground usually looks clear, but the background is blurred, i.e. not sharp. Nevertheless, such a photo is considered "sharp". But if the face turns out to be blurry in the portrait photo, then this photo as a whole is considered not sharp.
The word "natural" in the definition above means that is unnatural and artificially stranded (enhanced software processing chamber algorithm) sharpness. Such excessive sharpening is called "peresharpom", and on a real photo is manifested in the fact that the edges of objects appear contour lines (border) that are not in the actual scene of the eyes. For example in the case of peresharpa, tree branches against the blue sky will have a white border. To see this clearly, usually it is necessary to bring a bit of land photos on the screen at a larger scale (called to make a "crop"), but in the frames of some smartphones loop "peresharpa" visible and without approximation.
Sharpness and rehashing interrelated concepts: Insufficient sharpness leads to blurring of the object in the photo, and excessive sharpness, to rehash.
Therefore:
The photo should be considered "with good sharpness", when, on the one hand, the object looks clear, and on the other, there are no signs of overshoot.
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Detailing- characterizes the number of small parts that can be seen in the frame. In order to "see" small details, a photo is usually required on the screen when viewing a bit closer on a larger scale, to make a "crop". The more small details in the photo at the same time have distinguishable and recognizable outlines, the higher the detail. An example of good detail is the readable number of cars in the background of the photo.
Detailing and sharpness are somewhat different concepts, for example, a photo can have excellent sharpness, and at the same time no detailing, simply because it is elementary for a camera that lacks megapixels for good detail. If we speak conventionally, then on a camera with a 2 megapixel matrix now in 2018, it is simply physically impossible to get a picture with good detail, no matter what the picture is perfectly sharp.
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Colour- Accuracy of color transfer of real objects in a photo.
Since in order to assess the conformity of the colors of all the objects in the picture, it is obvious that you need for this to be present in the scene with the photographer to see the color "through his eyes," then discuss the accuracy and color saturation can only be well-recognized object. However, you have a great concept of "color" can evaluate the fading photos in general, or, for example, a lack of red, leaving besides in carrot hue. The concept of "color" can also be characterized by a general loss of color saturation, the photo shoot with the lack of light (sometimes extends to the b / w photos, for example, in some models of apple products). It is also easy to identify unnatural poisonous grass green or violet blue sky.
Just need to say that vsГ« terms of color, it is advisable to look at the hardware-calibrated monitor, and certainly in the same color space. If the monitor with an extended color gamut see photos taken in the sRGB space, instead of those colors that are in this photo is, really, you see, instead of purplish-red oversaturated crimson, instead of green grass - a poisonous acid green. Fortunately the majority of monitors (yet) work in space sRGB, and most cameras shoot it well. This is the main thing.
As for the hardware calibration, on an uncalibrated monitor, for example, the shade of the blue sky may not correspond to what is actually in the photo: instead of the pale blue you will see a light green velvet or care to the violet.
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White Balance (BB)- it is not a color! Good BB involves a natural overall color tone of pictures as a whole, the corresponding coverage of the scene, rather than matching the colors of individual objects in the frame. Photos with poor BB may look like as a whole "cyanotic", pink or covered with a green tint. For example, if instead of the expected gray clouds on the familiar to you for the scene (such as 1000 times a shot, and I know how it really looks like), you will see a pink cloud (the Lumia 950 XL overcast rainy day), then it is an obvious reason to doubt the correctness of the BB on that frame. Keep in mind that BB is highly dependent on the specific light scenes. The next stage of the same device gives a perfect BB! It is important to consider.
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Exposition- everything is simple: the frame may be either overexposed or, on the contrary, too dark if the exposure is selected incorrectly. It is determined by eye immediately and without difficulty.
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Dynamic Range (DD)- the ability to distinguish between different parts of the frame lordship light units (in the "light"), and at the same time the detail a little different "murkiness" in the dark areas of the picture (in the "shadows"). A striking example of good DD is a window frame, taken day of the depth of the room, which are clearly visible and interior parts, and what is outside the window. On the frame with a bad or DD will be visible interior and the window, and the fact that for him to be overexposed white, or the window will be seen and that the window on the street, and the room will be completely black.
If the device has a bad DD, then the choice of exposure cannot achieve both clearly visible details in the “highlights” and distinguishable details in the “shadows” SIMULTANEOUSLY. Either one or the other. On a device with a good DD this is possible.

Composition- a harmonious combination of frame elements, the basic idea of ​​releasing or semantic component picture. The compositions typically operates normally minimalist when the frame elements do not carry a meaning only clutter and frame are "noise" that violates the integrity perception. Such "noise", for example, are the wires in the photo of the church (God forbid even the foreground or background of the domes). Lay special design the right solution in this example would be the selection of a camera angle when the wires, if not absent in the photo at all, then at least "do not climb into the eyes" clearly. Sometimes, if this is not possible, it is better to abandon this frame, you remove the failed deliberately scene.
However, it should be noted that the presence of wires in the frame itself is not yet “evil” and depends entirely on the idea that the photographer wants to convey to the viewer. For example, if the idea of ​​a photo is a technotronic apocalypse, predicted by Nostradamus as "... And the sky will be covered with cobwebs", then a pole with a million wires and cables to it, shot in the frame with the right angle (not necessarily the central element of the plot), can be very appropriate.

Composition is entirely connected with the subjectivity of the perception of what is seen by a person, which nevertheless has objective laws. Examples of such laws are the arrangement of frame elements according to the rule of two-thirds, the golden section, etc. All this is at the level of the subconscious perception of the frame as "harmonious." Special attention should also be paid to the purely technical aspects of the survey, such as the leveling of the horizon.

It is important to note that the technical capabilities of the apparatus itself influence the choice of the composite solution. For mobile cameras, this primarily refers to the optical zoom capability (not digital, digital zoom is evil). Sometimes it's just impossible to get closer to the subject to get the right solution, and then the zoom helps out. Similarly, about the possibility of portrait mode, and about wide-angle shooting.

In portrait photography in the compositional plan, special attention should be paid to the light, and at the same time the features of the smartphone itself should be taken into account. For example, even with the seemingly exposed to all the canons of the world, when shooting on the latest models of iPhones, you can easily get the light of the yellow spots on the forehead or nose of the model. Such a frame is technically immediately go into the trash.
Also important is the background, even if it is blurred.
The model also needs to be “combed”, and not only literally. Hair can also be slightly disheveled, but from the turn / tilt of the head and the direction of gaze, as well as from sometimes with the careless grace of the overlaid garment, the complete perception of the photo as a compositionally finished picture depends.
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Nordline-Ost @ 28.12.2012, 0:37*
SE XperiaPro. Slippers for battle! (Tomatoes bad wash out). While the desire to throw the phone has not been

Nothing remarkable. Normal, average scall mobil quality. I would not be prompted to leave the camera at home



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quoter-qq @ 28.12.2012, 07:43*
I saw Zenith whose cogs specifically smaller diameter, were simply inserted into the hole and covered with glue. rubbish

repairable zenith on their own at home. without shutok.dazhe last Modzhela collected were passable. dissynchronization narimer curtain flash was not observed.



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lmx @ 28.12.2012, 09:00*
Subject - to discuss the phone's camera, but not for nostalgirovaniya at times of film cameras.


gentlemen) but simply phone cameras capture since and have to shoot the camera phone. he loved poholivarit on my camera steeper, but .. damn well dish soap is soap dish)) which removes simply acceptable)) on any except a smart fully slag. as it is possible to argue whose 8 megapixels is better, especially when the camera module is one and the same? and this section holivara.

Posted on 28.12.2012, 14:56:

Kornish @ 12/28/2012, 13:24*
Nothing remarkable. Normal, average scall mobil quality. I would not be prompted to leave the camera at home

of course), but also to get the camera to take a picture schedule of the museum, too, somehow not kamilfo) or contact put a picture such as "I was here - John" phone is quite enough. different purpose. Smart compact camera replaces a bar of soap. Most smart with equal success doing it. simply there are nuances of rank one over substandard poor quality and in what direction)), but once again - as a replacement mylnitstsy this is the fact.

Post has been editedlevkovsky - 28.12.12, 14:58



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levkovsky @ 28.12.2012, 15:56*
repairable zenith on their own home

let Cton other repairs home appliances. and I have a Mamiya, a minimum of 30 years, traces of repair is not and is not expected



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levkovsky @ 28.12.2012, 15:56*
repairable zenith on their own home

Yes, but is he worth it (except for Zenit-19)?
A lot of shooting on the Zenith, Kiev, Pentax, practice, mechanical Nikon SLRs after the budget from Canon, you do not want to take them into the hands of ...



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quoter-qq @ 28.12.2012, 16:09*
let Cton other repairs home appliances. and I have a Mamiya, a minimum of 30 years, traces of repair is not and is not expected

Mamiya voobscheto sredneformatka. do not you think?
eg buy her digital back - I saw bu not expensive - a half Leman rubles in the bright world of 60 megapixels :) Not a fan too))
konvas @ 28.12.2012, 16:23*
Yes, but is he worth it (except for Zenit-19)?
A lot of shooting on the Zenith, Kiev, Pentax, practice, mechanical Nikon SLRs after the budget from Canon, you do not want to take them into the hands of ...

worth it if you like to take a picture of yourself. while on the fly in automatic mode, of course easier eg Olympus is5000 film.


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levkovsky @ 28.12.2012, 16:58*
Mamiya voobscheto sredneformatka. do not you think? eg buy her digital back - I saw bu not expensive - a half Leman rubles in the bright world of 60 megapixels is not a fan too))

so what's the difference SF it or 35mm, talking about a technology - Soviet suitable only as training. pushing buttons, fill the film with her, but do not shoot

what for me to heel, if I am at home with the film print hands?
moreover, that backs to modern mamiyam, and I have 330 dvuhobektivnaya



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levkovsky @ 28.12.2012, 16:58*
worth it if you like to take a picture of yourself. while on the fly in automatic mode, of course easier eg Olympus is5000 film.

And what have the "automatic" mode on Canon and "priorities" and have "manual", and optics can be set from the Zenith ... Well zenitovskih TTL I never believed only "Sverdlovsk", only hardcore. Canon / Nikon allow at least a couple of endurance / diofragma get adequate.
Then, what is the "self", to shoot the film and pass it to the developing / printing? It is also not "own"

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levkovsky @ 28.12.2012, 15:56*
Posted on 28.12.2012, 14:56:


of course), but also to get the camera to take a picture schedule of the museum, too, somehow not kamilfo) or contact put a picture such as "I was here - John" phone is quite enough. different purpose. Smart compact camera replaces a bar of soap. Most smart with equal success doing it.

I agree. That's what I'm doing. Just in the examples were the pictures that have to do the same on the camera, rather than mobilofon



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levkovsky @ 28.12.2012, 15:56*
but also to get the camera to take a picture schedule of the museum, too, somehow not kamilfo) or contact put a picture such as "I was here - John" is enough phone

who is not comme il faut to remove schedule for the camera if she is proved? pulled out and removed, the only difference is in the services, a photo with DSLR harder to throw in the internet, it is necessary to make more gestures

and who prevents to take a picture, "I was here" so that it then do not be ashamed to hang on the wall in a frame? or post photos of this quality can not be contacted?

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quoter-qq @ 29.12.2012, 06:57*
and who prevents to take a picture, "I was here" so that it then do not be ashamed to hang on the wall in a frame? or post photos of this quality can not be contacted?

Well, if it comes to that, you should always carry a "Markovka" Shirikov + + portretnichek, well not necessarily telephoto, or wear something "universal" type 28-300 ...
And so every day, and in the heat and cold, in the rain, not knowing is useful or not. I would have regretted so treat it and feed it Markovka can, and is not cheap.



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konvas @ 29.12.2012, 12:07*
Well, if it comes to that, you should always carry a "Markovka" +

you are one of those who think that the more expensive the camera - the better it takes?
If at hand it was a good camera and I made them a good shot - it can not be put vkontakt? that would not stand out from the mobilofotkobydla?



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quoter-qq @ 29.12.2012, 12:18*
you are one of those who think that the more expensive the camera - the better it takes?

I work with all hardware, including a MARKokvkami, which are now quite often shoot video because the quality is not worse and sometimes better than a camera valued at more than 1 million rubles. Because I do not think, andI know for sure that Mark and the like Nikon, Quality outright udelyvayut kropovye SLRs like the 450d, there is a lot matrix beam, low noise, amazing color reproduction. That's just carry it with you all the time, how the "no ice". Moreover, for me it is first and foremost - a tool: an expensive device with penny optics, with or without an external flash - a waste of money. If Fotik suddenly found himself in the hands - then of course no questions, shoot at him, and if you do not? That's where it comes to camera phones, for they are always with something and this theme was created for them. I think here no one needs to explain that the same 1000d or "thirty" lift Ayfon5 better than at least that will remove in RAW. But it is also true that having a camera down the road, but do not know anything other than the position "auto", in many circumstances the photo is similar to skim soap box for 3,5r
Photo on Feysobuki and "Contact Us" do not spread for a long time, since I do not use social networks. Although I can say that Dropboks or Gugel + are convenient in that if there vayf and enabled sync - automatically can load (but not published) photos to the cloud. If the device is lost or fails, the photo will not be wasted.
Ah, yes, the main thing I almost forgot!It removes the device is not, and the photographer!

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konvas @ 29.12.2012, 13:35*
Quality outright udelyvayut kropovye SLRs like the 450d

you're talking about pixels - and I'm talking about the photo



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quoter-qq @ 29.12.2012, 13:51*
you're talking about pixels - and I'm talking about the photo

No, I'm just about the picture, the pixels here there is nothing, I mean the quality of the matrix. In the same conditions, such as room and the light from the chandeliers, we get (no flash), something in RAW, which will have a very decent mess, so it is at least as it looked, or candy, and without spending on it is almost no work . You are on the mark filmed? Simply, I have a home 450d, to take it in his hands after Markovka it's like to sit at the WHA in 2106, after the Mercedes E-Class - drive is possible, but more difficult and less comfortable.
While I do not argue, a masterpiece can be removed and Zenith, and a bar of soap, and even a tin of coffee, which lies on the bottom of the film and the lens is a hole, plug finger.



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I shoot without any matrix
what am i doing wrong



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It looks so poorly when someone behind him and in the rain and snow, and in the store for bread in a backpack carries polukilogrammovuyu SLR. But even more pathetic it is when he solemnly said about this topic in the comparison of mobile cameras. : Rofl:
Amazed people =
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Lares @ 29.12.2012, 14:13*
It looks so shabby

this is not pathetic, that's when the shift and tilt are associated only with fotoshopovskim filter, but still aggressively insist on it - it's really pathetic



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quoter-qq,
Film? Perfectly! Seriously, very happy with the your passion, here I can not afford film, expensive and long and not very practical, the quality is comparable to Markovka, but only if the developing and printing in a normal laboratory, rather than "Film development-print" in the metro.
Well photoshop is not necessary to use, you can "prove" raw and make easy adjustments to the Light room, or Picasso.



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People, how would you contemptible did not relate to the discussion of cameras in mobile phones, but the topic hereit is about them . If you think you have nothing to discuss, then silent, or create a separate topic.

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konvas @ 29.12.2012, 16:48*
but only if the developing and printing in a normal laboratory, rather than "Film development-print" in the metro

Film development and printing houses with their own hands
from Photoshop makes me sick for a long time, because it is my profession such


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