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The main goal of this holivar is to understand who has a cooler camera.
/ try NOT to turn the topic into a dustbin and clarify personal relationships /


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About the topic
Share your photos
(No retouching and effects overlay! Software version and the Camera application (other than stock) are recommended to indicate! And it is desirable to add a pair of photos from the drain in order to understand the difference). And the public will decide how high / low quality the photo was taken.


In general, let's become people back. It's time to leave any local conflicts in the past and reduce the degree. Please, if the photo was processed - to indicate, and quite perfectly - to add the original frame to the processing or camera Zhpeg from the pair of Rav (if shown this).

Specify the model of your phone, which you made your masterpiece ;
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For those who want the best (guide):My phone shoots better!


Colleagues! "The Union," the theme of the pictures from the drain chambers:My runoff takes better

Detailing contests!




FAQ for beginners
• Detailing
• Exposure
• White balance (WB)
• Colour
• Dynamic range (DD)
• Composition


Decryption

From kamaitachi
Detailing- The number of parts in the photo. atmainlydetermined by the quality of the optics, the so-called line resolution per millimeter / inch / lb / mile, etc. how many tree branches will be seen in the photo depends on it.

Sharpness- sharpness of the border between the contrasting parts of the frame. it depends on how clearly the twig will stand out against the sky. very dependent on sharpe level during processing. an unnecessary sharpe - the twig will be drawn with a bold marker, it will appear "indented" into the frame and an unpleasant halo will appear around it to underline the borders of the twig.

White balance- a difficult discipline, if greatly simplified, the image can be warm (care in yellow / red / orange), cold (blue) or dead (green, especially tin when a person’s face goes green). A good bb is when the picture looks natural, and not blue / green / yellow, etc. Not always good bb coincides with the real. there are nuances.

Colour- also a difficult discipline. usually means smooth tonal transitions, the number of semitones, but again there are nuances. if there are fewer colors, the color looks richer, but the transitions between the shades with sharp edges, a large number of halftones look smooth, but pale. Here is such a paradox.

Exposition- very simplistic lightness of the picture depends on the shutter speed, ISO and aperture. Since in the overwhelming majority of phones the aperture is fixed, it is only from iso (the higher, the brighter, but noisier) and the shutter speed (the longer, the brighter, but the more chance to get a blur). More details are already on photo sites, the topic is sucked millions of times.

Dynamic range- roughly the number of gradation between the lightest and darkest portion of the picture. measured in feet, which are 2 to the power of H. flooded one color picture - 0 stops (2 ^ 0 = 1), the image of only black and white pixels is 1 foot (2 ^ 1) and so on. mobile telephones typically have 9-10 stops in chambers 16, 20 have eyes (strongly depends instance Homo sapiens). dd depends on how much detail capture chamber when the contrast stage (the sun in the frame). completely overexposed sky and black soil - a narrow dd, lit by the sun and a point on the ground a lot of detail - a dd.

Composition- in the frame, the eye must for something to cling to. Typically, mesh look contrasting objects, the leading line (the line along which the viewer's eye, it is desirable to also lead to the main objects), or broken corners / wavy lines in the frame. The frame should not be empty, but it is not necessary to do a photo of only one object. All objects have the environment, the background, the world around them with that object interacts. For example in the portrait (except the studio on a uniform background) people look better against the background of the embankment, the forest, the city than on the background of sky. Major errors in the portrait - growing out of your head or branch body, poles, background merges with the man, the background much brighter person mottled background distracting dirty background (trash, debris, dirt), an unnatural position of the body, protruding elbows, hands on location, framing of joints (as a person becomes "a cripple"), unnatural emotion (permissible in the fashion and advertising), the unnatural complexion (the so-called skintone). In landscape photography is good practice to the presence of the front, middle and long-distance plans, availability perspective, recognizable color, the presence of an equilibrium in the frame (that is not visually appeared. That one edge "outweigh" the other), flat horizon (funny, but a couple of degrees of the dam is already visible eye and a person uncomfortable to look at a landscape), the presence of the main subject (the lake, a lonely tree, mountain).

In general, if the eye clings and there is a main object not too far away and not from edge to edge of the picture, harmonious (very simplistic - pleasant for the viewer) colors are good. Errors voiced above (branches from the head, littered horizon, no main object, colorful background) - bad.

What is the difference between "color" and "detail" on the basis of the above definitions?

color - the number of shades on the branches, detail - the number of branches themselves. Sharpness - the clarity of the boundaries of the branches.

From sparta

Sharpness- natural clarity of physical objects in the frame. If the object in the frame is out of focus, then it looks fuzzy, blurry, i.e. not sharp.
Not all objects in the frame must necessarily be sharp, for example, in portrait photos, the face of a person in the foreground usually looks clear, but the background is blurred, i.e. not sharp. Nevertheless, such a photo is considered "sharp". But if the face turns out to be blurry in the portrait photo, then this photo as a whole is considered not sharp.
The word "natural" in the definition above means that is unnatural and artificially stranded (enhanced software processing chamber algorithm) sharpness. Such excessive sharpening is called "peresharpom", and on a real photo is manifested in the fact that the edges of objects appear contour lines (border) that are not in the actual scene of the eyes. For example in the case of peresharpa, tree branches against the blue sky will have a white border. To see this clearly, usually it is necessary to bring a bit of land photos on the screen at a larger scale (called to make a "crop"), but in the frames of some smartphones loop "peresharpa" visible and without approximation.
Sharpness and rehashing interrelated concepts: Insufficient sharpness leads to blurring of the object in the photo, and excessive sharpness, to rehash.
Therefore:
The photo should be considered "with good sharpness", when, on the one hand, the object looks clear, and on the other, there are no signs of overshoot.
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Detailing- characterizes the number of small parts that can be seen in the frame. In order to "see" small details, a photo is usually required on the screen when viewing a bit closer on a larger scale, to make a "crop". The more small details in the photo at the same time have distinguishable and recognizable outlines, the higher the detail. An example of good detail is the readable number of cars in the background of the photo.
Detailing and sharpness are somewhat different concepts, for example, a photo can have excellent sharpness, and at the same time no detailing, simply because it is elementary for a camera that lacks megapixels for good detail. If we speak conventionally, then on a camera with a 2 megapixel matrix now in 2018, it is simply physically impossible to get a picture with good detail, no matter what the picture is perfectly sharp.
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Colour- Accuracy of color transfer of real objects in a photo.
Since in order to assess the conformity of the colors of all the objects in the picture, it is obvious that you need for this to be present in the scene with the photographer to see the color "through his eyes," then discuss the accuracy and color saturation can only be well-recognized object. However, you have a great concept of "color" can evaluate the fading photos in general, or, for example, a lack of red, leaving besides in carrot hue. The concept of "color" can also be characterized by a general loss of color saturation, the photo shoot with the lack of light (sometimes extends to the b / w photos, for example, in some models of apple products). It is also easy to identify unnatural poisonous grass green or violet blue sky.
Just need to say that vsë terms of color, it is advisable to look at the hardware-calibrated monitor, and certainly in the same color space. If the monitor with an extended color gamut see photos taken in the sRGB space, instead of those colors that are in this photo is, really, you see, instead of purplish-red oversaturated crimson, instead of green grass - a poisonous acid green. Fortunately the majority of monitors (yet) work in space sRGB, and most cameras shoot it well. This is the main thing.
As for the hardware calibration, on an uncalibrated monitor, for example, the shade of the blue sky may not correspond to what is actually in the photo: instead of the pale blue you will see a light green velvet or care to the violet.
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White Balance (BB)- it is not a color! Good BB involves a natural overall color tone of pictures as a whole, the corresponding coverage of the scene, rather than matching the colors of individual objects in the frame. Photos with poor BB may look like as a whole "cyanotic", pink or covered with a green tint. For example, if instead of the expected gray clouds on the familiar to you for the scene (such as 1000 times a shot, and I know how it really looks like), you will see a pink cloud (the Lumia 950 XL overcast rainy day), then it is an obvious reason to doubt the correctness of the BB on that frame. Keep in mind that BB is highly dependent on the specific light scenes. The next stage of the same device gives a perfect BB! It is important to consider.
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Exposition- everything is simple: the frame may be either overexposed or, on the contrary, too dark if the exposure is selected incorrectly. It is determined by eye immediately and without difficulty.
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Dynamic Range (DD)- the ability to distinguish between different parts of the frame lordship light units (in the "light"), and at the same time the detail a little different "murkiness" in the dark areas of the picture (in the "shadows"). A striking example of good DD is a window frame, taken day of the depth of the room, which are clearly visible and interior parts, and what is outside the window. On the frame with a bad or DD will be visible interior and the window, and the fact that for him to be overexposed white, or the window will be seen and that the window on the street, and the room will be completely black.
If the device has a bad DD, then the choice of exposure cannot achieve both clearly visible details in the “highlights” and distinguishable details in the “shadows” SIMULTANEOUSLY. Either one or the other. On a device with a good DD this is possible.

Composition- a harmonious combination of frame elements, the basic idea of ​​releasing or semantic component picture. The compositions typically operates normally minimalist when the frame elements do not carry a meaning only clutter and frame are "noise" that violates the integrity perception. Such "noise", for example, are the wires in the photo of the church (God forbid even the foreground or background of the domes). Lay special design the right solution in this example would be the selection of a camera angle when the wires, if not absent in the photo at all, then at least "do not climb into the eyes" clearly. Sometimes, if this is not possible, it is better to abandon this frame, you remove the failed deliberately scene.
However, it should be noted that the presence of wires in the frame itself is not yet “evil” and depends entirely on the idea that the photographer wants to convey to the viewer. For example, if the idea of ​​a photo is a technotronic apocalypse, predicted by Nostradamus as "... And the sky will be covered with cobwebs", then a pole with a million wires and cables to it, shot in the frame with the right angle (not necessarily the central element of the plot), can be very appropriate.

Composition is entirely connected with the subjectivity of the perception of what is seen by a person, which nevertheless has objective laws. Examples of such laws are the arrangement of frame elements according to the rule of two-thirds, the golden section, etc. All this is at the level of the subconscious perception of the frame as "harmonious." Special attention should also be paid to the purely technical aspects of the survey, such as the leveling of the horizon.

It is important to note that the technical capabilities of the apparatus itself influence the choice of the composite solution. For mobile cameras, this primarily refers to the optical zoom capability (not digital, digital zoom is evil). Sometimes it's just impossible to get closer to the subject to get the right solution, and then the zoom helps out. Similarly, about the possibility of portrait mode, and about wide-angle shooting.

In portrait photography in the compositional plan, special attention should be paid to the light, and at the same time the features of the smartphone itself should be taken into account. For example, even with the seemingly exposed to all the canons of the world, when shooting on the latest models of iPhones, you can easily get the light of the yellow spots on the forehead or nose of the model. Such a frame is technically immediately go into the trash.
Also important is the background, even if it is blurred.
The model also needs to be “combed”, and not only literally. Hair can also be slightly disheveled, but from the turn / tilt of the head and the direction of gaze, as well as from sometimes with the careless grace of the overlaid garment, the complete perception of the photo as a compositionally finished picture depends.


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Comparison of cameras from forum members
sparta


overton


bunita


kypa123
Compare cameras IPhone 10 vs Xiaomi Mi5s
Part 1 Part 2 Part 3


Borisovich500
Comparison of cameras moto x4 vs moto style
My phone shoots better! (Post Borisovich500 # 68587797)


Alex norris
Comparison of cameras sony XZ2 vs samsung s9
My phone shoots better! (Post by Alex Norris # 72237684)


cool.dolphin1


dimongt1


saved


DVN1976


men pol


Sergykm


Romanstein


<Coordinator>


Tor68


switch.case


(-DIM @ -) Hispanic-headed gull


Iron_kid


Useful: different shooting modes, external lenses, incomplete comparisons, etc.


Phrases of the day
-DIM @ - @ 05/20/19, 22:56 *
Do you really think I am a weak-minded person?
H.-DIM @ - from despair
Prostoi2207 @ 06/22/19, 4:46*
I go with the Huawei P20, (not about), and I realize that there’s nothing to change for now.

switch.case @ 15.10.19, 17:00*
Great and unique Snap Camera. It was created for the upper class people, so that they can take a photo masterpieces. Fanatics mods gkama not understand the beauty of the tender as a silk blanket photos with SNEP.



Post has been editedGdenashi - 23.10.19, 16:05
Reason for editing: Added comparison Spaniard



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Accidentally met Google pixel 2. I decided to compare a quick photo with his lyumia 950. But had only 1 photo is made in the auto mode ((first pixel, the second lyumia
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tolya-666 @ 07/04/18, 3:02*
or you no longer think about what you can not? : Lol:

Well, yes ... At 3 am .... What else to think ... Or GCAM, or about women: D
or repairs, and where to place kote)


Posted 04/07/2018, 3:16:

Parkerps @ 4.07.18, 3:13*
The first pixel, the second lyumia

Pixel, again disappoint its drain.
That's the trouble with these damn sinks: D


Post has been editedIron_kid - 04.07.18, 03:17



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* Lfd048,
that for the flowers on the third photo? I'm in the kitchen always try to keep the flowers, chrysanthemums and roses all sorts pall from lilies head hurts his wife, the other as it did not look. I am looking for here something else, like this in our flower seen.



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MethroGnome @ 04.07.18, 02:48*
But I wonder - is it 2018 someone prints pictures? What for?..

I print in A4 size, we have 10 frames hung on the walls in the hall, in the kitchen. from time to time change in their photos. even think to revive the tradition of family albums, it has accumulated all just a pack of lies.
Vadim, with the coins you have to minus slapped for the next post, plus, that was left with nothing: D Fu so handsome to be: D



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Kamaitachi @ 04.07.18, 03:44*
I print in A4 size, we have 10 frames hung on the walls in the hall, in the kitchen. from time to time change in their photos. even think to revive the tradition of family albums, it has accumulated all just a pack of lies.

That's it, that pack of lies then. )), And nowhere to go and vykiinut sorry)
Well, in general, 10 pieces of A4 can be further understood when to change them every six months. But enough for A4 MPCS 4 ....
And here in general offered to print A2 - that's what for? That these posters do then?



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MethroGnome @ 04.07.18, 07:32*
Well, in general, 10 pieces of A4 can be further understood when to change them every six months

but as a cock bite, usually 3 to 6 months (sounds like a sentence for petty hooliganism: lol:)
MethroGnome @ 04.07.18, 07:32*
But enough for A4 MPCS 4 ....

Yes, I have long said that in 99% of cases, enough good 8MP camera.



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Borisovich500 @ 03.07.18, 20:33*
The latest version there is, it sometimes crashes

On the new Moto, it does not take off anything.
Borisovich500 @ 03.07.18, 20:33*
And the interface in the latter is much more complex.

It is only your opinion.



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Cactus has blossomed:
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OnePlus 6, drain camera, all the cars.



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ComparisonHuawei P 20 PRO and Moto x force
Part 1.
Huawei P 20 PRO.
here 40Mp and resize up to 21MP ( "new dimension" in the title). and to resize 10MP 21 Mn
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Moto x force
HDR without Shumkov \ without HDR without Shumkov \ drain without HDR
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Rotonda against the sun
Huawei P 20 PRO
40mp and resize to 21 cpx (two pairs)
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Moto x force
Khdr without Shumkov \ runoff Khdr \ Camera API without Shumkov
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The same rotunda
Huawei P 20 PRO
40MP and resize to 21Mp
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Moto x force
Helio camera without Shumkov \ motorcycle without Shumkov HDR \ motorcycle without Shumkov \ Camera API (HDR without Shumkov)
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P \ C. I do not think that to every scene had to be shot to make stock, but it turned out that not all

Posted 04/07/2018, 7:58:

* golden_dragon
Duck is the mod APK I overthrown. He tried to shoot without shumodava?
Arises not over the drain, two camera shortcut will

Post has been editeddimongt1 - 04.07.18, 08:10



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* MethroGnome
Print. You look around. Advertising, exhibitions prof.izdaniya. I particularly print technical pictures: control cabinets, etc. with the text .. This information is read Director, Chief Engineer, etc. Do you think that guy managing the holding will sit and read from the monitor? No, such as read only once from the paper and the only way to somewhere, for no.
Here are photos from the scrap 808.
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avelisov @ 03.07.18, 23:32*
Try to print your photos on A2 format, and see who wins udelal

* avelisov postorayus today put pictures with Nokii 808 and Pixel, look who's better, to be honest in Nokii 7 Useful, one photo of the pixels in a much better result. Just take pictures in the theater is not a strong point of Nokia.



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men pol @ 04.07.18, 05:06*
It is only your opinion.

You somewhere someone wrote about the reverse? : Rolleyes:



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dimongt1 @ 04.07.18, 07:54*
Compare Huawei P 20 PRO and Moto X Force
Part 1.

I'm curious - how you get on snimak Proshka so badly? thought of course is, why it is, but I drive them away)))
The following 2 examples from the category of "got-shoot" conditions on the ground picture worse than on your own, but the quality is a cut above. Strangely, though!

40mp P20Pro
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avelisov @ 04.07.18, 08:19*
Advertising, exhibitions prof.izdaniya

We're like about amateur photography, no?
Let's just say that's what the average person may need to return from vacation with sea A2 print photos?

avelisov @ 04.07.18, 08:19*
This information is read Director, Chief Engineer, etc. Do you think that guy managing the holding will sit and read from the monitor? No, such as read only once from the paper and the only way to somewhere, for no.

And the director of your out-of-date a man - there is a category of chiefs, who love all possible bureaucracy and paper.
Especially along the way - 100 times easier to turn on the tablet, and once all the information is there, and not to carry a heap of papers, especially the A2. )) Busy people do not suffer such a long time, tablet or ultrabook for just enough.



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Borisovich500 @ 04.07.18, 08:44*
You somewhere someone wrote about the reverse?

And why should that be somewhere someone wrote? I have this camera is, and I like the interface.



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men pol @ 04.07.18, 07:53*
I have this camera is, and I like the interface.

It is only your opinion.



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ComparisonHuawei P 20 PRO and Moto x force
Part 2.
Huawei P 20 PRO
40Mp and resize to 21Mp
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Moto x force
Moto camera without Shumkov \ Camera API without Shumkov
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Huawei P 20 PRO
Mn 40 to 21 and resize MP
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Moto x force
Motorcycles Khdr without Shumkov \ Stock \ Stock Khdr \ IPA chamber (Shumko ON)
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Huawei P 20 PRO
Mn 40 to 21 and resize MP
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Moto x force
Motorcycle without Shumkov \ Stock \ Stock \ bikes without Shumkov \ IPA chamber (Shumko ON)
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* maksi_chuvak,
"It put! Everywhere a setup!" : Lol:



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* avelisov In this context, give or take part quality is not important, but if it starts to have a - to remove other equipment and will be printed aki glossy magazine.



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Borisovich500 @ 04.07.18, 09:00*
"It put! Everywhere a setup!"

well, including adequate (at least once: D), and just look at my pictures and fellow pictures above)))
Yes, of course, the scene at all different, all different, but damn - a huge difference in quality.

Coincidence? I do not think)))

P.S. the author region C10, and I S636. I know that in these regions there is a difference on the part of the volume (in S636 it is higher). and suddenly the picture quality is better on the S636: D
it would be funny if it was so.

Post has been editedmaksi_chuvak - 04.07.18, 09:05


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