My phone shoots better!



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Which phone has the highest quality camera?

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The main goal of this holivar is to understand who has a cooler camera.
/ try NOT to turn the topic into a dustbin and clarify personal relationships /


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In subjectFORBIDDEN: useless flooding, personal discussions, deliberate provocations and pursuit of an opponent, long-running disputesWITHOUTphotos. Respect other participants who bring a photo and give food for thought / discussion.

In subjectNOT DESIRABLE : selection of camera software settings, selections from several photo options, and so on. For all this, use the profile topics on devices and applications.

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About the topic
Share your photos
(No retouching and effects overlay! Software version and the Camera application (other than stock) are recommended to indicate! And it is desirable to add a pair of photos from the drain in order to understand the difference). And the public will decide how high / low quality the photo was taken.


In general, let's become people back. It's time to leave any local conflicts in the past and reduce the degree. Please, if the photo was processed - to indicate, and quite perfectly - to add the original frame to the processing or camera Zhpeg from the pair of Rav (if shown this).

Specify the model of your phone, which you made your masterpiece ;
Do not forgetBe sure to hide the photos under the spoiler! .
How to remove images under the spoiler in the browser and official customersavagemessiahzine.com
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For those who want the best (guide):My phone shoots better!


Colleagues! "The Union," the theme of the pictures from the drain chambers:My runoff takes better

Detailing contests!




FAQ for beginners
• Detailing
• Exposure
• White balance (WB)
• Colour
• Dynamic range (DD)
• Composition


Decryption

From kamaitachi
Detailing- The number of parts in the photo. atmainlydetermined by the quality of the optics, the so-called line resolution per millimeter / inch / lb / mile, etc. how many tree branches will be seen in the photo depends on it.

Sharpness- sharpness of the border between the contrasting parts of the frame. it depends on how clearly the twig will stand out against the sky. very dependent on sharpe level during processing. an unnecessary sharpe - the twig will be drawn with a bold marker, it will appear "indented" into the frame and an unpleasant halo will appear around it to underline the borders of the twig.

White balance- a difficult discipline, if greatly simplified, the image can be warm (care in yellow / red / orange), cold (blue) or dead (green, especially tin when a person’s face goes green). A good bb is when the picture looks natural, and not blue / green / yellow, etc. Not always good bb coincides with the real. there are nuances.

Colour- also a difficult discipline. usually means smooth tonal transitions, the number of semitones, but again there are nuances. if there are fewer colors, the color looks richer, but the transitions between the shades with sharp edges, a large number of halftones look smooth, but pale. Here is such a paradox.

Exposition- very simplistic lightness of the picture depends on the shutter speed, ISO and aperture. Since in the overwhelming majority of phones the aperture is fixed, it is only from iso (the higher, the brighter, but noisier) and the shutter speed (the longer, the brighter, but the more chance to get a blur). More details are already on photo sites, the topic is sucked millions of times.

Dynamic range- roughly the number of gradation between the lightest and darkest portion of the picture. measured in feet, which are 2 to the power of H. flooded one color picture - 0 stops (2 ^ 0 = 1), the image of only black and white pixels is 1 foot (2 ^ 1) and so on. mobile telephones typically have 9-10 stops in chambers 16, 20 have eyes (strongly depends instance Homo sapiens). dd depends on how much detail capture chamber when the contrast stage (the sun in the frame). completely overexposed sky and black soil - a narrow dd, lit by the sun and a point on the ground a lot of detail - a dd.

Composition- in the frame, the eye must for something to cling to. Typically, mesh look contrasting objects, the leading line (the line along which the viewer's eye, it is desirable to also lead to the main objects), or broken corners / wavy lines in the frame. The frame should not be empty, but it is not necessary to do a photo of only one object. All objects have the environment, the background, the world around them with that object interacts. For example in the portrait (except the studio on a uniform background) people look better against the background of the embankment, the forest, the city than on the background of sky. Major errors in the portrait - growing out of your head or branch body, poles, background merges with the man, the background much brighter person mottled background distracting, dirty background (trash, debris, dirt), an unnatural position of the body, protruding elbows, hands on location, framing of joints (as a person becomes "a cripple"), unnatural emotion (permissible in the fashion and advertising), the unnatural complexion (the so-called skintone). In landscape photography is good practice to the presence of the front, middle and long-distance plans, availability perspective, recognizable color, the presence of an equilibrium in the frame (that is not visually appeared. That one edge "outweigh" the other), flat horizon (funny, but a couple of degrees of the dam is already visible eye and a person uncomfortable to look at a landscape), the presence of the main subject (the lake, a lonely tree, mountain).

In general, if the eye clings and there is a main object not too far away and not from edge to edge of the picture, harmonious (very simplistic - pleasant for the viewer) colors are good. Errors voiced above (branches from the head, littered horizon, no main object, colorful background) - bad.

What is the difference between "color" and "detail" on the basis of the above definitions?

color - the number of shades on the branches, detail - the number of branches themselves. Sharpness - the clarity of the boundaries of the branches.

From sparta

Sharpness- natural clarity of physical objects in the frame. If the object in the frame is out of focus, then it looks fuzzy, blurry, i.e. not sharp.
Not all objects in the frame must necessarily be sharp, for example, in portrait photos, the face of a person in the foreground usually looks clear, but the background is blurred, i.e. not sharp. Nevertheless, such a photo is considered "sharp". But if the face turns out to be blurry in the portrait photo, then this photo as a whole is considered not sharp.
The word "natural" in the definition above means that is unnatural and artificially stranded (enhanced software processing chamber algorithm) sharpness. Such excessive sharpening is called "peresharpom", and on a real photo is manifested in the fact that the edges of objects appear contour lines (border) that are not in the actual scene of the eyes. For example in the case of peresharpa, tree branches against the blue sky will have a white border. To see this clearly, usually take a little closer at the photo section of the screen on a larger scale (called to make a "crop"), but in the frames of some smartphones loop "peresharpa" visible and without approximation.
Sharpness and rehashing interrelated concepts: Insufficient sharpness leads to blurring of the object in the photo, and excessive sharpness, to rehash.
Therefore:
The photo should be considered "with good sharpness", when, on the one hand, the object looks clear, and on the other, there are no signs of overshoot.
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Detailing- characterizes the number of small parts that can be seen in the frame. In order to "see" small details, a photo is usually required on the screen when viewing a bit closer on a larger scale, to make a "crop". The more small details in the photo at the same time have distinguishable and recognizable outlines, the higher the detail. An example of good detail is the readable number of cars in the background of the photo.
Detailing and sharpness are somewhat different concepts, for example, a photo can have excellent sharpness, and at the same time no detailing, simply because it is elementary for a camera that lacks megapixels for good detail. If we speak conventionally, then on a camera with a 2 megapixel matrix now in 2018, it is simply physically impossible to get a picture with good detail, no matter what the picture is perfectly sharp.
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Colour- Accuracy of color transfer of real objects in a photo.
Since in order to assess the conformity of the colors of all the objects in the picture, it is obvious that you need for this to be present in the scene with the photographer to see the color "through his eyes," then discuss the accuracy and color saturation can only be well-recognized object. However, you have a great concept of "color" can evaluate the fading photos in general, or, for example, a lack of red, leaving besides in carrot hue. The concept of "color" can also be characterized by a general loss of color saturation, the photo shoot with the lack of light (sometimes extends to the b / w photos, for example, in some models of apple products). It is also easy to identify unnatural poisonous grass green or violet blue sky.
Just need to say that vsГ« terms of color, it is advisable to look at the hardware-calibrated monitor, and certainly in the same color space. If the monitor with an extended color gamut see photos taken in the sRGB space, instead of those colors that are in this photo is, really, you see, instead of purplish-red oversaturated crimson, instead of green grass - a poisonous acid green. Fortunately the majority of monitors (yet) work in space sRGB, and most cameras shoot it well. This is the main thing.
As for the hardware calibration, on an uncalibrated monitor, for example, the shade of the blue sky may not correspond to what is actually in the photo: instead of the pale blue you will see a light green velvet or care to the violet.
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White Balance (BB)- it is not a color! Good BB involves a natural overall color tone of pictures as a whole, the corresponding coverage of the scene, rather than matching the colors of individual objects in the frame. Photos with poor BB may look like as a whole "cyanotic", pink or covered with a green tint. For example, if instead of the expected gray clouds on the familiar to you for the scene (such as 1000 times a shot, and I know how it really looks like), you will see a pink cloud (the Lumia 950 XL overcast rainy day), then it is an obvious reason to doubt the correctness of the BB on that frame. Keep in mind that BB is highly dependent on the specific light scenes. The next stage of the same device gives a perfect BB! It is important to consider.
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Exposition- everything is simple: the frame may be either overexposed or, on the contrary, too dark if the exposure is selected incorrectly. It is determined by eye immediately and without difficulty.
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Dynamic Range (DD)- the ability to distinguish between different parts lordship in bright parts of the image (in the "light"), and at the same time the detail a little different "murkiness" in the dark areas of the picture (in the "shadows"). A striking example of good DD is a window frame, taken day of the depth of the room, which are clearly visible and interior parts, and what is outside the window. On the frame with a bad or DD will be visible interior and the window, and the fact that for him to be overexposed white, or the window will be seen and that the window on the street, and the room will be completely black.
If the device has a bad DD, then the choice of exposure cannot achieve both clearly visible details in the “highlights” and distinguishable details in the “shadows” SIMULTANEOUSLY. Either one or the other. On a device with a good DD this is possible.

Composition- a harmonious combination of frame elements, the basic idea of ​​releasing or semantic component picture. The compositions typically operates normally minimalist when the frame elements do not carry a meaning only clutter and frame are "noise" that violates the integrity perception. Such "noise", for example, are the wires in the photo of the church (God forbid even the foreground or background of the domes). Lay special design the right solution in this example would be the selection of a camera angle when the wires, if not absent in the photo at all, then at least "do not climb into the eyes" clearly. Sometimes, if this is not possible, it is better to abandon this frame, you remove the failed deliberately scene.
However, it should be noted that the presence of wires in the frame itself is not yet “evil” and depends entirely on the idea that the photographer wants to convey to the viewer. For example, if the idea of ​​a photo is a technotronic apocalypse, predicted by Nostradamus as "... And the sky will be covered with cobwebs", then a pole with a million wires and cables to it, shot in the frame with the right angle (not necessarily the central element of the plot), can be very appropriate.

Composition is entirely connected with the subjectivity of the perception of what is seen by a person, which nevertheless has objective laws. Examples of such laws are the arrangement of frame elements according to the rule of two-thirds, the golden section, etc. All this is at the level of the subconscious perception of the frame as "harmonious." Special attention should also be paid to the purely technical aspects of the survey, such as the leveling of the horizon.

It is important to note that the technical capabilities of the apparatus itself influence the choice of the composite solution. For mobile cameras, this primarily refers to the optical zoom capability (not digital, digital zoom is evil). Sometimes it's just impossible to get closer to the subject to get the right solution, and then the zoom helps out. Similarly, about the possibility of portrait mode, and about wide-angle shooting.

In portrait photography in the compositional plan, special attention should be paid to the light, and at the same time the features of the smartphone itself should be taken into account. For example, even with the seemingly exposed to all the canons of the world, when shooting on the latest models of iPhones, you can easily get the light of the yellow spots on the forehead or nose of the model. Such a frame is technically immediately go into the trash.
Also important is the background, even if it is blurred.
The model also needs to be “combed”, and not only literally. Hair can also be slightly disheveled, but from the turn / tilt of the head and the direction of gaze, as well as from sometimes with the careless grace of the overlaid garment, the complete perception of the photo as a compositionally finished picture depends.


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Comparison of cameras from forum members
sparta


overton


bunita


kypa123
Compare cameras IPhone 10 vs Xiaomi Mi5s
Part 1 Part 2 Part 3


Borisovich500
Comparison of cameras moto x4 vs moto style
My phone shoots better! (Post Borisovich500 # 68587797)


Alex norris
Comparison of cameras sony XZ2 vs samsung s9
My phone shoots better! (Post by Alex Norris # 72237684)


cool.dolphin1


dimongt1


saved


DVN1976


men pol


Sergykm


Romanstein


<Coordinator>


Tor68


switch.case


-DIM @ -


Iron_kid


Useful: different shooting modes, external lenses, incomplete comparisons, etc.


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Prostoi2207 @ 06/22/19, 4:46*
I go with the Huawei P20, (not about), and I realize that there’s nothing to change for now.



Post has been editedGdenashi - 10.10.19, 21:41
Reason for editing: Compare Dolphin



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overton @ 02.05.18, 18:11*
but I wanted a second sim card, USB flash drive, and miui not really gone ...
Clear. Second sim card support if that.



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men pol @ 2.05.18, 19:40*
But look)) on the right optics)) to DD)) in the big blind, etc.

Yes, what to look at it? Same thing at the readme because of the absence of a wide angle. : D

Look at the photos of our members of the forum almost every soap at the edges or corners. Who is more, someone less, but there is.

Post has been editedNEV1 - 02.05.18, 19:44



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* men pol,
Photo looks like after a filter overlay to VK. They are completely unnatural look lately, honestly.



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* Borisovich500,
* men pol,
Wow! Well this gkam again. This is not a motorcycle. Sony module Snap percent, software - Google :) Where there Moto)?



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NEV1 @ 02.05.18, 19:43*
Yes, what to look at it? Same thing at the readme because of the absence of a wide angle.

Redmik silyl! : Yes2:
Borisovich500 @ 02.05.18, 19:44*
Photo looks like after the filter overlay in VK

I do not know how to look like a photo, after the imposition of the filter in the VK, that do not use)) I am not in social networks)



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men pol @ 02.05.18, 18:50*
I do not know how to look picture, then filter overlay in VK

Well, that's exactly how your photo. They have some blue-violet give you shade. Can gkama consequences.

Post has been editedBorisovich500 - 02.05.18, 19:53



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* Gdenashi
We've got a lot of things in the province have



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Gdenashi @ 02.05.18, 19:48*
Wow! Well this gkam again. This is not a motorcycle. Sony module, Snap percent, software - Google Where there Moto)?

Yes, here you are absolutely right!



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* Anderusk
It depends on the circumstances.
We must try to remove it is an invoice, as long as
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men pol @ 2.05.18, 19:50*
Redmik silyl! : Yes2:

Here is the almost complete darkness starred (with curtained window). Is not it cool? Readme even close this does not remove. ;)
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Post has been editedNEV1 - 02.05.18, 20:04



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Post has been editeddimongt1 - 02.05.18, 20:05



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* dimongt1 Very like the color and detail



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NEV1 @ 02.05.18, 20:00*
Here is the almost complete darkness starred (with curtained window). Is not it cool? Readme even close this does not remove.

It's Juska Gkam with version 3.2, and if put the Redmen 5.1)) Here's a comparison, I would like to see)) But in any case, the cat-cool: good:

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men pol @ 2.05.18, 20:08*
It's Juska Gkam with version 3.2, but if you put 5.1) on the Redmen) Here's what I'd like to see)) But in any case, the cat-cool: good:

On yushke 3.2, at least the ones that I have previously put, do not work.
On the contrary Redmen 5.1 produces a loud noise even when a light loulayte, so 3.2 is better suited.

Post has been editedNEV1 - 02.05.18, 20:12



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From the first song photos directly Dmitry Warsaw (CHK) remembered :)

Cool color and Circuits :)



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Iron_kid @ 02.05.18, 16:37*
In general, an urgent need perefotkat!

No question, I will :)



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Finally I decided to be lazy and do not compare to the full: rolleyes: The conditions are very good. For all modes to make two photos, if somebody needed something I will fill it.
The first photos from the S9 Samsa, order: 1. Auto HDR Inc. 2. Auto, HDR off 3. Prof. mode, aperture 1.5 4. Professional mode, Aperture 2.4
Next Sony: 1. 19 megapixel auto (manual mode without changing any settings), HDR off 2. 12 MP Auto HDR off (manual mode without changing any settings), 3. 12 megapixel cars, supercar.
Everything ordered :)
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NEV1 @ 02.05.18, 22:00*
Here is the almost complete darkness starred (with curtained window). Is not it cool?

At ISO 800? o.O Krut: good: Honestly, I can not believe. Tricks with which the super duper triple hdr?


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