Librem5 and PureOS - revolution or a failure? | PureOS, Librem, Purism - a breakthrough in the smartphone market



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What do you check when purchasing a new smartphone? Battery capacity? Megapixel Camera? Or, check with the current trend? Personally, I'm interested in the operating system functionality and a shell from the manufacturer, but more important is precisely the opportunity to unlock the phone bootloader official way to install a minimum - root, and if it's all very bad, then a third-party firmware (ROM). But why users should take some kind of action only in order to become a system administrator? His own system! So, the company introduced Purism supposedly free smartphone - Librem 5. According to the developers, this is the first phone with an open PureOS Linux-based operating system in which the user has full access to all modules and network interfaces. In addition, the developers have added a piece, as physical switches for the camera, geolocation and mobile communications, to provide greater security for the "paranoid". I would like to hear your opinion about this idea. What do you think, will you have Purism embody the idea of ​​a free smartphone and attract a large audience, especially after the failure of UbuntuPhone?



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GeekRevolution @ 01/02/19 05:00*
Do you think Purism will succeed in embodying the idea of ​​a free smartphone and interest a large audience?

Not. The “big audience” will look at Linux with 53 kopecks and not understand anything about it.
And professionals generally do not need any ruts and stuff on the phone. Because for them, the phone is just a phone. And no "improvements" on it are required. To work and solve other problems, there are other devices.



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Azathtot @ 01/02/19 10:09*
To work and solve other problems, there are other devices.

Are you used to wearing a supercomputer in your pocket? The main advantage of the phone is mobility and portability, because even a laptop with you will not always take, and the phone is always pocket and ready to use. And why do phones even sell without root and full access to the system, and even with built-in backdoors from Google (well, I'm talking about Android because it is as close as possible to a normal Unix system)?



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GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 06:44*
Are you used to wearing a supercomputer in your pocket?

In the backpack.
GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 06:44*
And why do phones even sell without root and full access to the system,

Answer me clearly - why is it?you personally ?
GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 06:44*
Yes, and with built-in backdoors from Google

What do you mean? Proofs please on backdoor. With links to source codes / intelligible decompil. Or heard the ringing, but I do not know where he is?
GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 06:44*
The main advantage of the phone is mobility and portability.

The main advantage of the phone is the possibility of communication.

Post has been editedAzathtot - 02.01.19, 14:21



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I think not take off, not enough traction. Attempts to make an open phone were already many, the most successful neofreerunner and neo 1973 turned out to be unnecessary. You recalled the failure of the ubuntuphone yourself.

His iron is the weakest, and the price of 600 bucks will scare away 95% of the target audience.


I think at best there will be a batch of crookedly working something, although most likely we will not even see it.



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Azathtot @ 02.01.19, 13:20*
Answer me clearly - why is it you personally?

The loader is unlocked in order to install the firmware I need, for example Lineage OS, Kali nethunter, SuperSU, etc.
This allows you to manage network adapters, for example for sniffing a wireless network, set macros, delete system trash in the form of 5-6 applications from Google that I do not need, change system files, rebuild the file system to change, for example, the same swap partition.


Azathtot @ 02.01.19, 13:20*
What do you mean? Proofs please on "backdoor"

Everyone has long known that Google (and not only it) monitors users, even when the location is turned off. This is for another topic. Here we are talking about Librem 5 and PureOS.

Azathtot @ 02.01.19, 13:20*
The main advantage of the phone is the possibility of communication.

I mean its superiority over other devices. About the supercomputer in the backpack is funny .. Maybe soon we will see it. As for the possibility of communication - I agree with you, but modern smartphones are capable of more, and closed OSs do not allow this functionality to be realized.

Post has been editedGeekRevolution - 02.01.19, 15:53



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GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 09:44*
for example for sniffing a wireless network,

Are you a radio intelligence specialist? Isn't it easier for you to buy a professional, multi-antenna iron, which is excellent and can write a time signal, and at the same time (at one point in space) work with antennas with different gain levels?
Oh, No? Do you treat any professional radar prospecting sideways? So you just show off?
GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 09:44*
set macros, delete system trash in the form of 5-6 applications that I do not need from Google, change system files, rebuild the file system to change, for example, the same swap partition.

1-3 Root is absolutely not needed if you are messing with p.4
4. Rebuild the file system (an interesting term for the article, and what to rebuild it? Or do you have your own ext4.1?) Is still more convenient on the computer, 146% infa.
5. swap to NAND? Monsieur knows a lot about perversions, then zram is better, but it needs not a root, but brains.

In general, it is clear, you need to show off.

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GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 09:44*
and closed operating systems do not allow this functionality to be realized

than?

Post has been editedAzathtot - 02.01.19, 16:02



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Lambrianov @ 01/02/19 13:31*
There have already been many attempts to make an open phone
I agree, this fact is a bit depressing, but the developers do not stop, and continue to try to implement this idea. In addition, Purism released 2 secure laptops, which already speaks about their experience in the industry.

Lambrianov @ 01/02/19 13:31*
He has the weakest iron, and the price of 600 bucks will scare away 95% of the target audience
I agree, only those who have a specific goal will buy it and understand why he needs such a pipe. The price for it is like a brand new iPhone ... 600 bucks by the way is pre-order, and I think the price will be lowered



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Azathtot @ 01/02/19, 14:59*
In general, I understand you need to show off.
Pff to whom you can show off the fact that you have unlocked bootloader? : rofl: Hmmm, I laugh ...

I am no longer a radio intelligence officer, a hacker or a spy, but simply an experimenter. In my topic I described my preferences in order to smoothly switch to the topic of PureOS and the announcement of Librem5. If my priorities are different from yours, it does not mean that everyone should know about it. If you have something to say on the topic, then I will be glad to discuss it, and there is no need to point out someone else’s ignorance in some field.



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GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 10:11*
If you have something to say on the topic

"By topic" I have already said. The device does not need the market, will not use success. And quite clearly explained why.
I will even say more, it needs only 2.5 people who are just interested in spinning a new piece of metal in their hands.



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GeekRevolution @ 02.01.19, 13:01*
I agree, this fact is a bit depressing, but the developers do not stop, and continue to try to implement this idea. In addition, Purism released 2 secure laptops, which already speaks about their experience in the industry.


What developers do not stop? Nobody develops anything. Librem - another stillborn project which was not destined to see the light.

Purism did not release a single laptop, it's just its own assembly on clevo's finished chassis. And what is the security there? Their laptops as well as system76 (which by the way are also on the clevo chassis) are no different from any others.

ps, I agree with everything* Azathtot .



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Lambrianov @ 01.02.19, 17:15*
And what is the security there?
The blocked Intel Management Engine around which there was so much noise, physical switches for some modules - well, this is a show of course, why is the same electrical tape bad? :) Also, they are actively developing their own GNU / Linux distribution of PureOS, in which security is in priority. I would also like to note that someone still supports them, because they collected $ 1.5m pretty quickly. I'm not exactly trying to praise them, but just cite the real facts.



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Ime can also be programmatically turned off on any other computer using a programmer, but as practice shows, it does not interfere with anyone. There are also many physical switches, but it seems to me that you incorrectly interpret the word security.

Pureos is an alternate bolgenos, and security in Linux is redhat and knowledge of system administration, and not a bunch of soft-lovers from San Francisco and schoolchildren who donate them for the money saved at school lunches. : sveta:



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* GeekRevolution, With such availability (both in terms of cost, and in terms of "how to get this crap") - rather a failure, unfortunately.

Any real revolution involves going beyond the legal framework. Now, if the authors have proposed a way to put this very PureOS any fridge like these in my signature (with a safe substitute for radio firmware for the most devaysa), and under the guise of more and Ruth exploits promoted for these refrigerators, while a wider audience might be interested. And to buy hundreds of oil from abroad in the name of spoon-billed sandpiper single beaver, and even limited edition ... Very few people bite that is quite predictable.



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Lambrianov @ 01/03/19, 15:53*
a bunch of smoothies from san francisco

... Most likely, they just want to hyping on the idea of ​​“freedom and cleanliness of the code”, to thunder in the news, to push their start-up to expensive uncles expensive. After all, the guys are probably not idiots and understand that they are releasing a deliberately stillborn (in a commercial sense) product. It is easier for an ordinary person to buy any decent jammer and roll some Cyanogen on it, if you really need a root.



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* Lambrianov , lenovo y550p, after ten years both microphones and cameras fell off by themselves, and disabling the modem and full translation of the laptop "into flight" with a flick of the finger is a cool feature.



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* Lambrianov
Lambrianov @ 03.01.19, 16:53*
with a programmer

As practice shows - not all of it is, and not everyone can afford to buy it.



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illialoo99 @ 30.05.19, 09:46*
As practice shows - not all of it is, and not everyone can afford to buy it.


You can use the raspberry pi do. And the programmer itself is worth a couple of bucks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aRUxfxp9dJ8



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* Lambrianov Not all programmers are cheap, sometimes sky-high prices for some chipsets.


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