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Detailing [ 9 ] ** [20,45%]
Exposition [ 9 ] ** [20,45%]
White balance (WB) [ 8 ] ** [18,18%]
Colour [ 13 ] ** [29,55%]
Dynamic Range (DD) [ 6 ] ** [13,64%]
Composition [ 18 ] ** [40,91%]
Gift of persuasion [ 18 ] ** [40,91%]
Creativity [ 24 ] ** [54,55%]
Iron_kid
Detailing [ 34 ] ** [77,27%]
Exposition [ 32 ] ** [72,73%]
White balance (WB) [ 27 ] ** [61,36%]
Colour [ 31 ] ** [70,45%]
Dynamic Range (DD) [ 29 ] ** [65,91%]
Composition [ 25 ] ** [56,82%]
Gift of persuasion [ 22 ] ** [50%]
Creativity [ 18 ] ** [40,91%]
Total votes: 44
 
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My phone shoots better!


Prove photos, convince others with words ...


Rules are required to read!
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Rules for participants
Before participating in this battle, be sure to readResource rulesandRules section "Meat grinder". Violation of the rules is guaranteed to exclude you from the battle (warnings are possible)andpossiblywill take you to PO mode (read only) or even block your account: spiteful: so do not indulge))

- Punishments:
• 2 yellow cards
(2 warnings)
• 1 red card
(Knockout)
• 1 burgundy card
(PO - from 1 to 3 days)
• 1 speck card
(Ban)

- Post processing is prohibited by any editors, pictures from RAW, (including "yes, I just cut off" and "I just ask")
/Only pure jpg, which the camera gives immediately during the shooting/

- Any software is forbidden (Snap camera in LLM mode, Cortex camera, etc.) which does not write Exif in the standard volume for cameras.
In the choice of other applications "Camera" there are no restrictions!

- Accepted images taken 4 weeks before the start of the battle.

- All photos will be pre-tested and in real time.

- Participants do not participate in voting battles.

- Failure to appear without prior notice, equals to progryshu.

- You can not delete and edit your posts.

- Maximum 2 posts in a row from one participant. The maximum time to wait for a response is 10 minutes.

- Timeouts are allowed for a specified time, i.e. in agreement with the opponent. If the initiator of the timeout did not appear without warning, then the loss is counted.

- 150/180/240 minutes is the net battle time without taking into account timeouts.


Requirements / Conditions
1- Mobile camera from 10MP

2- One avatar

3- The duration of one battle is 150 minutes.

Fight for third place - 180 minutes.

The fight for the first and second place - 240 minutes.

There are no photo limits.

4- If 8 users participate.
Battle 1x1, in the first selection there are 4 users left. Then two fights to determine the participants of the final.

1x1 = 1 1x1 = 1x1 = final
1x1 = 1 1x1 = 1x1 = for the 3rd place
1x1 = 1
1x1 = 1

5- If 4 users are involved.
Battle 1x1, two fights to determine the participants of the final.

1x1 = 1x1 = final
1x1 = 1x1 = for the 3rd place


Participants {Fighters}


Progs for checking photos


Poll / Voting
Voting will be available immediately after each battle and will last 5 days!
These days you can view the battles and vote.

Voting table
Legend when calculating the final grade

[1] Detailing
a
[2] Exposure⤵
b
[3] White balance (WB)
c
[4] Color⤵
d
[5] Dynamic range⤵
e
[6] Composition⤵
f
[7] The Gift of Persuasion⤵
g
[8] Creativity⤵
h

[9]Subtotal
z
[10]final grade
?

How does the estimate count:

a + b + c + d + e + f + g + h = z: 8 =?



1 - Detailing
2 - Exposure
3 - White Balance (WB)
4 - Color
5 - Dynamic range (DD)
6 - Composition
7 - The Gift of Persuasion
8 - Creativity (Photo / Dialogue)


Decoding values
From kamaitachi
Detailing- The number of parts in the photo. atmainlydetermined by the quality of the optics, the so-called line resolution per millimeter / inch / lb / mile, etc. how many tree branches will be seen in the photo depends on it.

Sharpness- sharpness of the border between the contrasting parts of the frame. it depends on how clearly the twig will stand out against the sky. very dependent on sharpe level during processing. an unnecessary sharpe - the twig will be drawn with a bold marker, it will appear "indented" into the frame and an unpleasant halo will appear around it to underline the borders of the twig.

White balance- a difficult discipline, if greatly simplified, the image can be warm (care in yellow / red / orange), cold (blue) or dead (green, especially tin when a person’s face goes green). A good bb is when the picture looks natural, and not blue / green / yellow, etc. Not always good bb coincides with the real. there are nuances.

Colour- also a difficult discipline. usually means smooth tonal transitions, the number of semitones, but again there are nuances. if there are fewer colors, the color looks richer, but the transitions between the shades with sharp edges, a large number of halftones look smooth, but pale. Here is such a paradox.

Exposition- very simplistic lightness of the picture. depends on shutter speed, iso and aperture. since the diaphragm is fixed in mobile phones, it is only from ISO (the higher, the brighter, but noisier) and the shutter speed (the longer, the brighter, but the more chance to get a lubrication). More already on the photo sites, the topic is sucked millions of times.

Dynamic range- roughly speaking, the number of gradations between the lightest and darkest part of the photo. measured in feet, which are 2 to the power of X. The picture is filled with one color - 0 stops (2 ^ 0 = 1), the picture of black and white pixels is 1 stop (2 ^ 1) and so on. usually there are 9-10 stops in a mobile phone, up to 16 in cameras, more than 20 in an eye (it depends strongly on a homo sapiens specimen). how much detail the camera captures in a contrasting scene (the sun in the frame) depends on dd. the fully illuminated sky and the black earth are narrow dd, the point light on the sun and on earth many details is wide dd.

Composition- in the frame, the eye must cling to something. Usually catching the eye with contrasting objects, leading lines (lines along which the viewer's eye goes, it is also desirable to lead to the main objects), angles or broken / wavy lines in the frame. The frame should not be empty, but you should not take photos of only one object. All objects have an environment, a background, a world around them with which the object interacts. For example, in a portrait (except for a studio on a monophonic background) a man looks better against the background of the embankment, forest, city than just against the sky. The main mistakes in the portrait are the branches growing from the head or the body, the pillars, the background merging with the person, the background is much brighter than the person, the colorful background distracting attention, the dirty background (trash cans, debris, dirt), the unnatural position of the person’s body, protruding elbows, hands are not on place, framing of the joints (so the person becomes a "cripple"), unnatural emotions (permissible in fashion and advertising), unnatural complexion (the so-called skinton). In landscape photography, the presence of front, middle and long-range plans, the presence of perspective, recognizable colors, the presence of balance in the frame (so that it doesn’t visually appear that one edge outweighs the other), a level horizon (funny, but a couple of degrees of obstruction are already visible) it is uncomfortable to look at such a landscape to the eye and to the person), the presence of the main object of shooting (lake, lonely tree, mountain).

In general, if the eye clings and there is a main object not too far away and not from edge to edge of the picture, harmonious (very simplistic - pleasant for the viewer) colors are good. Errors voiced above (branches from the head, littered horizon, no main object, colorful background) - bad.

What is the difference between "color" and "detail" on the basis of the above definitions?

color - the number of shades on the branches, detail - the number of branches themselves. Sharpness - the clarity of the boundaries of the branches.

From sparta

Sharpness- natural clarity of physical objects in the frame. If the object in the frame is out of focus, then it looks fuzzy, blurry, i.e. not sharp.
Not all objects in the frame must necessarily be sharp, for example, in portrait photos, the face of a person in the foreground usually looks clear, but the background is blurred, i.e. not sharp. Nevertheless, such a photo is considered "sharp". But if the face turns out to be blurry in the portrait photo, then this photo as a whole is considered not sharp.
The word “natural” in the definition above means that there is an unnatural, artificially wound (enhanced by the software processing of the camera's algorithm) sharpness. Such overly enhanced sharpness is called “overshoot”, and in a real photo this is manifested in the fact that contour lines (edging) appear on the borders of objects that are not present in the real scene with eyes. For example, in the case of overhaul, the branches of a tree will have a white outline against the blue sky. To see this clearly, it is usually necessary to slightly zoom the part of the photo on the screen on a larger scale (called “cropping”), but on the frames of some smartphones the “overshoot” contour is visible without approximation.
Sharpness and rehashing interrelated concepts: Insufficient sharpness leads to blurring of the object in the photo, and excessive sharpness, to rehash.
Therefore:
The photo should be considered "with good sharpness", when, on the one hand, the object looks clear, and on the other, there are no signs of overshoot.
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Detailing- characterizes the number of small parts that can be seen in the frame. In order to "see" small details, a photo is usually required on the screen when viewing a bit closer on a larger scale, to make a "crop". The more small details in the photo at the same time have distinguishable and recognizable outlines, the higher the detail. An example of good detail is the readable number of cars in the background of the photo.
Detailing and sharpness are somewhat different concepts, for example, a photo can have excellent sharpness, and at the same time no detailing, simply because it is elementary for a camera that lacks megapixels for good detail. If we speak conventionally, then on a camera with a 2 megapixel matrix now in 2018, it is simply physically impossible to get a picture with good detail, no matter what the picture is perfectly sharp.
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Colour- Accuracy of color transfer of real objects in a photo.
Since in order to assess the color correspondence of all objects in the frame, it is obvious that you must be present at the shooting location with the photographer in order to see the color "by his eyes", then you can discuss the accuracy and color saturation ONLY AT LEADABLE OBJECTS. However, you are fine with the concept of "color" can appreciate the fading of the photograph as a whole, or, for example, the lack of saturation of red, which also goes into a carrot tint. The concept of "color" can also describe the overall loss of color saturation of a photo when shooting in a lack of light (sometimes reaching up to a b / w photo, for example, in some models of apple products). It is also easy to identify the unnatural poisonous green color of the grass or the violet blue of the sky.
At once it is necessary to say that with regard to color, it is advisable to look at a hardware-calibrated monitor and without fail in the same color space. If you look at photos taken in sRGB space on a monitor with an extended color gamut, then instead of those colors that you can see in this photo, you will see a supersaturated crimson instead of purple-red, and poisonous acid greens instead of green grass. Fortunately, most monitors (so far) work in sRGB space, and most cameras shoot in it. This is the main thing.
As for the hardware calibration, on an uncalibrated monitor, for example, the shade of the blue sky may not correspond to what is actually in the photo: instead of the pale blue you will see a light green velvet or care to the violet.
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White Balance (BB)- this is not a color! A good BB implies the natural overall color tone of the photograph as a whole, corresponding to the lighting of the scene being shot, and not at all the correspondence of the color of individual objects in the frame. Photos with a bad BB can look like generally "bluish", pink or covered with a green tint. For example, if instead of the expected gray clouds on a well-known shooting scene (like 1000 times shot this and I know how it really looks), you will see pink clouds (Lumia 950 XL on a cloudy rainy day), then this is a clear reason to doubt the correctness of BB on this frame. Keep in mind that BB very much depends on the light of a particular scene. On another stage, the same device will give the perfect BB! This is important to consider.
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Exposition- everything is simple: the frame may be either overexposed or, on the contrary, too dark if the exposure is selected incorrectly. It is determined by eye immediately and without difficulty.
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Dynamic Range (DD)- the ability to distinguish the details of different brightness in the bright parts of the frame (in the "highlights") AND SIMULTANEOUSLY distinguish the details of slightly different "darkness" in the dark parts of the frame (in the "shadows"). A good example of a good DD is a frame with a window, shot during the day from the depths of the room, where interior details are clearly visible, and what is on the street outside the window. On a frame with a bad DD, either the interior will be visible, and the window, and what is behind it, will be flashed white, or the window will be visible and what is outside the window, and the room will be completely black.
If the device has a bad DD, then the choice of exposure cannot achieve both clearly visible details in the “highlights” and distinguishable details in the “shadows” SIMULTANEOUSLY. Either one or the other. On a device with a good DD this is possible.

Composition- a harmonious combination of frame elements, highlighting the main idea or the semantic component of photography. In the composition, the rule of minimalism usually works, when the elements of the frame that do not carry a semantic load only clutter the frame and are "noise" that violates the integrity of perception. Such a “noise”, for example, is the wires in the picture of the church (God forbid, even in the foreground or against the background of the domes). The correct compositional decision in this example will be the choice of such a shooting angle, when these wires, if not present in the photo at all, then at least “do not look into your eyes” clearly. Sometimes, if this is not possible, it is better to refuse such a frame altogether than to shoot a deliberately disastrous scene.
However, it should be noted that the presence of wires in the frame itself is not yet “evil” and depends entirely on the idea that the photographer wants to convey to the viewer. For example, if the idea of ​​a photo is a technotronic apocalypse, predicted by Nostradamus as "... And the sky will be covered with cobwebs", then a pole with a million wires and cables to it, shot in the frame with the right angle (not necessarily the central element of the plot), can be very appropriate.

Composition is entirely connected with the subjectivity of the perception of what is seen by a person, which nevertheless has objective laws. Examples of such laws are the arrangement of frame elements according to the rule of two-thirds, the golden section, etc. All this is at the level of the subconscious perception of the frame as "harmonious." Special attention should also be paid to the purely technical aspects of the survey, such as the leveling of the horizon.

It is important to note that the technical capabilities of the apparatus itself influence the choice of the composite solution. For mobile cameras, this primarily refers to the optical zoom capability (not digital, digital zoom is evil). Sometimes it's just impossible to get closer to the subject to get the right solution, and then the zoom helps out. Similarly, about the possibility of portrait mode, and about wide-angle shooting.

In portrait photography in the compositional plan, special attention should be paid to the light, and at the same time the features of the smartphone itself should be taken into account. For example, even with the seemingly exposed to all the canons of the world, when shooting on the latest models of iPhones, you can easily get the light of the yellow spots on the forehead or nose of the model. Such a frame is technically immediately go into the trash.
Also important is the background, even if it is blurred.
The model also needs to be “combed”, and not only literally. Hair can also be slightly disheveled, but from the turn / tilt of the head and the direction of gaze, as well as from sometimes with the careless grace of the overlaid garment, the complete perception of the photo as a compositionally finished picture depends.


Be honest with yourself!
Make an assessment sincerely, and not out of personal sympathy or dislike for the participant./device


Observers -kindly requested not to stick in battle. For especially persistent - we have a “gag”!



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Do not forget - no more than 2 answers in a row and no more than 10 minutes for 1 turn.

Is everyone ready?

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®udzinsky ™ @ 10/14/18, 17:37*
Are you all grated?

We, as Pionery, are always ready! ): pioneer_smoke:

Who first starts?


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I'll start with the cr* ®udzinsky ™, OK.


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I will begin with a brief description of my artillery. : vinsent:

LG G4
2015 release. Spring.
Full resolution: 16mgs (16: 9). 12 mgps. (4: 3)
Aperture: 1.8
Two autofocus: laser and phase.
Two stabilizers. Separate RGB sensor, for more accurate determination of WB.
Very clever HDR mode.
In manual mode, the maximum shutter speed is 30 seconds.
Camera2api: Full. is already out of the box.
availability of RAW.

For this alone, it is already safe for him to give victory: D


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Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 camera feature)
Redmi Note 5 uses a dual camera, usually used only in flagship smartphones. The pixel size of the main 12 megapixel matrix is ​​1.4 μm, which allows you to capture more light and get high-quality images even in low light conditions.

Thanks to Dual Pixel technology, also commonly used in professional dSLR cameras, Redmi Note 5 provides fast autofocus so that the user does not miss the best moment to shoot!

Each pixel of the 12 Mp matrix contains two photodiodes (semiconductor elements that convert light into electric current), resulting in a total number of photodiodes of 24 million, which is almost 30 times more than traditional CMOS matrices with the same resolution. More photodiodes - faster focusing! Your photos will be clear, juicy in any light.


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Perhaps we will begin with it.
So to say, LG G4 shot on LG G4
we assume this is a Macro type.)
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men pol @ 10/14/18 17:57*
Each pixel of a 12 megapixel matrix contains two photodiodes

Damn, and I have not yet figured out my own.
When he dies, I will look at how much he had: D
:)

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Iron_kid @ 10/14/18, 17:59*
Perhaps we will begin with it.
So to say, LG G4 shot on LG G4
we assume this is a Macro type.)

And so I took Xiaomi Redmi Note 5 to the stock, two legendary Motorola
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Autumn foliage from Xiaomi Redmi Note 5
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* men pol,
I want to remind you that you do not need to edit


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Iron_kid @ 10/14/18, 17:59*
Damn, and I have not yet figured out my own.
When he dies, I'll see how much he had

Of course, count and be sure to sign off: D is interesting more than that of soybeans (as a result of which the total number of photodiodes is 24 million): D


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men pol @ 10/14/18 18:07*
Autumn foliage

Autumn is a topic. I love autumn: yes:
Of course, everything has turned yellow in our country, but something can already be found.)
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men pol @ 10/14/18 18:16*
as a result, the total number of photodiodes is 24 million): D

It is almost the same as counting all these berries: D
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Iron_kid @ 10/14/18, 18:17*
Autumn is a topic. I love autumn

Still autumn
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* men pol,
Sanya said that your camera is bullshit): secret:

* Iron_kid,
Stas said that your camera is bullshit): secret:


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®udzinsky ™ @ 10.10.18, 18:31*
Sanya said that your camera is bullshit)

Maybe he doesn’t think so: D


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men pol @ 10/14/18 18:23*
Still autumn

How many red: scratch_one-s_head:
I found only such "bumps upside down"
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True, then I had to return, because Ski said that on Friday she would make more beautiful:
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And even that something like macro happened (through the wind)
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Portrait mode on the stock camera
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®udzinsky ™ @ 10.10.18, 18:31*
Stas said that your camera is bullshit): secret:
men pol @ 10/14/18 18:34*
Maybe he doesn’t think so: D

So ... be quiet there ... And then, instead of flowers, I'll take you to the garage.
I have a neighbor there just a samovar.
And one bear, already nailed to the wall: D
Garage motifs)
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And do not forget that I still have a "Tiler" and Kuzya: D


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