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Windows updates (discussion and troubleshooting)




This topic is intended to discuss news, issues and issues related to updates for Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10. Disputes, conversations, criticism, arguments for and against - all here.

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How to avoid problems with updates for Windows

Practice has shown that Windows updates themselves are extremely rarely problematic, but they can reveal hidden defects in the hardware or software of the PC. Most often, post-factum has to deal with problems: a certain update was installed by itself, and then the user was faced with unpleasant consequences (the system does not boot, applications are not started, etc.). It is impossible to predict how your system will specifically behave specifically on your hardware after installing specific updates. However, it is in your power to do certain manipulations with your PC in order to identify and eliminate various shortcomings that may lead to problems in the future after installing updates. Again:updates reveal hidden defects, and do not cause them to appear. This is not always the case, but as a rule it is. Below are listed general actions and recommendations, following which you can minimize the possibility of any problems related to installing updates in any way.

Hacked core Windows 7
The unequivocal leader in the number of problems and incompatibilities with a variety of updates. Although common sense suggests thatOS kernelit is better not to touch at all, many are conducted on various popular assemblies with automatic activation of the system. The basis of this "automatic activation" is usually ODIN (OEM Driver Installer), which emulates a SLIC table version 2.1. This is one of the components for offline system activation used by major computer manufacturers to automatically activate pre-installed Windows 7. By default, the SLIC table should be located in the computer's BIOS (UEFI), but it can be loaded into memory in other ways. ODIN installs a driver that emulates this very SLIC table. However, on 64-bit Windows all driversshouldhave a digital signature, otherwise they will not be loaded when the system starts, so ODIN changes the boot parameters by editing the BCD file and changing the paths to the hacked system loader and the hacked system kernel. This allows you to bypass the protection and download the driver without a digital signature, but installing any update that is somehow related to the OS kernel will lead to unpredictable consequences. In essence, we will have a mixture of new files (which came with updates) and old kernel files (which are forcedly loaded thanks to the edited boot parameters).

Accordingly, if you did not install the original distribution, but another popular build, or simply forgot how to activate the system, thennecessarilycheck your computer. This is done simply. In the command line on behalf of the adminstrator enterBCDEditand look at the result. It should be like this:screenshot. And here is an example with modified boot parameters (a hacked kernel and a hacked kernel loader are used):screenshot. If you have such a case, it is strongly recommended to restore the original boot parameters:
del "% windir% \ system32 \ drivers \ oem-drv64.sys"
del "% windir% \ system32 \ xNtKrnl.exe"
del "% windir% \ system32 \ xOsLoad.exe"
del "% windir% \ System32 \ ru-RU \ xOsLoad.exe.mui"
del "% windir% \ System32 \ en-US \ xOsLoad.exe.mui"
% windir% \ system32 \ bcdedit.exe / set {current} path \ Windows \ system32 \ winload.exe
% windir% \ system32 \ bcdedit.exe / deletevalue {current} kernel
% windir% \ system32 \ bcdedit.exe / deletevalue {current} nointegritychecks
% windir% \ system32 \ bcdedit.exe / deletevalue {current} custom: 26000027
reg delete HKLM \ SYSTEM \ CurrentControlSet \ services \ oem-drv64 / va / f

Copy the contents of the spoiler to Notepad, thenFile>Saveas...and specify the name (for example,temp.bat). We right-click on the received .bat-file and select the launch from the Administrator. After its execution, restart the PC. Then check the output of the command again.BCDEdit- Download options should now be normal.

Problems with the drive or file system
Most often, the user does not realize that his hard drive is gradually dying. Brakes, blue screens, broken files are typical signs of a dying HDD, but the user blames viruses, drivers, updates for everything ... In general, anyone, but not your computer. On the whole, the people are not accustomed to monitoring the condition of their drives. And in vain. First of all, the owners of laptops are at risk, since any HDD is extremely bad at shaking and hitting.

Problems with the disk can be divided into two parts: hardware and software. Hardware - this is a bad sector, which for one reason or another HDD controller refuses to replace the backup. Of course, a hardware failure is any problems associated both with the mechanical part of the drive (problems with starting the engine, problems with calibrating the read head unit, problems with removing the head unit from the parking zone, etc.) and with its electronic components ( contact oxidation, poor nutrition due to a lousy power supply, etc.). Software errors are when the drive is mechanically OK, but at the file system level, some files are “gone” or damaged, for example, they suddenly turned off the light - and the file recording stopped in the middle.

The first thing to do for any HDD is to view the report.S.M.A.R.T.any convenient utility. The most intuitive and simple interface hasHdtunehowever, you can use any other software that you see fit. Discuss the status of your HDD can herethistopic.

The second thing that needs to be done is to check the integrity of the file system, as well as the integrity of the files themselves on the system partition. This is doneSo. After clicking on the "Run" button, you may be asked to put a check in the disk maintenance schedule. In this case, you will have to restart your PC. Mind youfile integrity check takes several hoursHowever, this is a great way to do file system prevention on the system partition. If any files are damaged or missing, the corresponding records about them will be deleted from the file table. You can view the results of the check in the system log. To do this, right-click on the computer.>Control. Next, select Event Viewer.>Windows logs>Application. There you are interested in the event with the code 1001.
Damage to critical system files
On the command line on behalf of the Administrator, run the commandSFC / ScanNow- such verification takes some time, however, if S.M.A.R.T. drive or system log showed an alarming picture, it is best to do it immediately.
Damage to the storage of system components
On the command line on behalf of the Administrator, run the commandDISM / Online / Cleanup-Image / ScanHealth- This test can take about half an hour, or even more. It is recommended to disable the anti-virus monitor, because it may take several hours to check. By analogy with the previous paragraph - do it if S.M.A.R.T. the drive showed problems or if the SFC / ScanNow team showed the presence of damaged files.

Note for Windows 7 users:make sure you have installedKB2966583before you execute this command.
Note for Windows 8, 8.1, 10 users:if ScanHealth shows any problems, then runDISM / Online / Cleanup-Image / RestoreHealth(Windows 7 users may not worry; they have ScanHealth key that combines both of these commands).
Overheat
In this case, overheating is dangerous due to the fact that the computer may freeze or turn off at the time of installing updates, and this is one of the few ways with a high degree of probability to ditch the system. This is due to the fact that the installation of updates is, in fact, the active movement of tens and hundreds of files, as well as the introduction of thousands of entries in the system registry. A sudden shutdown or reboot in the middle of this process will cause us to have wild porridge from the files, as well as partly old and partly new entries in the registry. Therefore, if you suddenly want to shut down your system, you can forcibly turn off the computer at the time of installing the updates. A lot of problems after that are guaranteed. Worse than this can only be manual removal of all files in a row from C: \ Windows ...

Taking into account the fact that the installation of updates is related to the active use of CPU, RAM, HDD \ SSD, it is better to make sure and check the temperature of your iron friend. There are a lot of utilities for temperature monitoring, but not all of them know how to create artificial stress. Namely, the temperature under load and you need to look, because at rest the frequency is significantly lower than the nominal and even tightly clogged cooling system will cope with heat removal. The most convenient can be considered a stress test fromAIDA64, which allows you to load all the components of the computer, but you can use any other software for testing and monitoring temperatures.

The topic of discussion on computer cooling ishere.
Viruses
Discussion and treatment of viruses, as well as the selection and configuration of antiviruses is conducted herehere. Directly with the update theme, virus threats may not be related, but if it so happens that you need to install a bunch of updates on a computer that has been working without antivirus for a long time, it makes sense to do a quick scan with any standalone anti-virus scanner (Dr.Web CureIt !, Kaspersky Virus Removal Tool, etc.).
Backup
This term implies both the creation of control points and the creation of an archive copy of the entire system partition.

Regardless of whether the creation of checkpoints is enabled or not, the operating system creates backup copies of the registry every ten days. However, it is best to configure the creation of full control points. In Windows XP, this chip was called "System Restore", in Windows 7 and higher it was renamed to "System Protection", but its essence remained the same: previous versions of files are saved, which allows you to return the system to its working state (not always, but often) . You can check the System Protection settings by opening the Computer properties (screenshot). Check that System Protection is turned on and works correctly (create a control point yourself and see what happens). You can also configure the amount of free space that will be given under the control points. Do not worry about the overflow disk. In case of exceeding the specified limit, the oldest control point will be automatically deleted when creating a new one.

In the same window, you can select the "Support Center" (below), and in it - the "Backup and Restore." Of course, creating a full-fledged image of the system and boot partitions will take a certain amount of time and will require a lot of space to store the created copies, however, regular copying (by default, archiving is performed once a week) is recommended to be done on all computers whose operationis criticalit is important and the user is ready to sacrifice free space for the sake of reliability.
Other update issues
After installing some updates, the system seemed to take longer to load. What to do?
Defragment Large updates affect tens and hundreds of files, and the size of logs and log files also increases significantly. Defragmentation eliminates the effect of fragmented files and the launch speed will return to previous levels.

I heard that some updates forcedly increase the system startup time ...
Parsingone such case.

Specific updates specifically slow down your computer!
At the moment there is no evidence of the negative impact of updates on PC performance. Despite the fact that lately there has been an active discussion of performance degradation due to updates covering Specter and Meltdown vulnerabilities, my tests showedextremely curious picture... However, you can post tests yourself.of hiscomputer before and after installing KB4056897, which will clearly show the difference in performance.

What is the best way to configure Update Center in Windows 7?
AboutSo.

What about privacy? Telemetry and other espionage ... Is this problem still topical or are there already methods to disable surveillance?
About privacy and other things I can not say. At the moment, I personally have not recorded any harm to me or my computer. Although, however, it is not surprising. Mouse fuss about telemetry and some kind of "espionage" has been observed on various IT forums and websites for several years already. At the same time, no one anywhere has ever clearly explained how much damage it does to the user or his computer.

What is characteristic, by the way, the only thing that could really be feared is a decrease in performance. For common sense suggests that if some information is collected, then it will all work at the expense of computer resources. But even this Internet conspiracy theorists failed. It would seem that all sorts of tests and benchmarks 100,500 pieces invented. Take and test the computer "with telemetry" and "without telemetry." And post the results. Moreover, many tests are simplified simply to disgrace. Download, run test button clicked. Everything! Yes, we have many games and programs harder to install than a computer to test ... But no. Conspiracy theorists continue to pour muddy water on the forums about some kind of "drop in productivity", although it would seem: did a test, turned off telemetry, again did a test, laid out the results. Heavy? Apparently yes, hard ... Windows 10 came out in 2014. Since then (in four years!), No conspiracy theorist has ever bothered to test his PC for performance levels before and after the “shutdown” of all sorts of spyware out there.

Are there standalone updates?
For Windows 7: can usecompilation of updatesthat creates and maintains a friendsimplix.
For Windows 8 and 8.1: such collections of updates are unknown, if someone knows, please inform.
For Windows 10: Microsoft regularly releases updated images of this system. Searched on any torrent tracker on request "Windows 10 MSDN".

Why do we need these updates? Too much fuss is unclear for what!
Updates are aimed primarily at improving the security of the Windows operating system, closing holes and gaps in the OS code. Security - the question is not too obvious, many users are poorly aware of what a "vulnerability in the OS" is and believe that to work safely with a computer, it is enough just not to run unfamiliar files. The idea is robust, but it’s not always necessary to launch something somewhere. True rubbish crawl through to you is not at all in the form of a beautiful file with a beautiful icon. The links below are not intended to tarnish Microsoft, expose it to a bunch of idiots, etc. Not. This is just an illustrative example of why the holes in the OS can best be blocked at the OS level, without relying on security software. All links below - the first thing that came across in the issuance of Google. I have not sorted them by date, by severity, etc. Yes, and to collect a frankly large and impressive collection of vulnerabilities, I'm just too lazy. However, you yourself can find in the search engines a lot of creepy news on the query "Windows vulnerabilities." Well, let's go ...
Critical vulnerability allows to intercept all network traffic of users of Windows
Microsoft: a critical vulnerability in almost all computers
Google again revealed unpatched vulnerability in Windows
New vulnerability allows elevating privileges in Win7 / Vista bypassing UAC
Vulnerability in Windows 7 is used for spying?
SMB vulnerability in Windows 7
Dangerous vulnerability in windows
Vulnerability in the NTFS file system can cause Windows 7, 8 and Vista crash
WannaCry cipher epidemic: what happened and how to protect


Post has been editedAvatar-lion - 20.07.18, 12:39



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KB3179573 punch that for the update. According to the observations it slows down the on / off laptop, but this is not accurate.
And KB3172605 there too.

Post has been editedAssassin225 - 12.02.18, 18:46
Reason for editing: KB3172605



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Are all the updates, no problems, no braking.



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Kosta26 @ 12.02.18, 18:34*
Are all the updates, no problems, no braking.
Just nocan compareRemember how it would be without some updates. It works and everything flies - understandably, not any old car in 2018.

Post has been editedAssassin225 - 12.02.18, 19:02



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* Assassin225, Why compare something when everything is working fine?



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Kosta26 @ 12.02.18, 19:08*
when everything works fine
What is the matter



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Assassin225 @ 12.02.18, 18:20*
KB3179573 punch that for the update. According to the observations it slows down the on / off laptop, but this is not accurate. And KB3172605 there too.

In order to avoid claims in the spirit of "Yes, you have i7 and SSD, so there is no difference!", I tested everything on the ASUS N61DA laptop of the following configuration:
- Phenom II N830
- 2 x 2Gb 1333MHz
- Mobility Radeon HD 5730
- HDD 320Gb (5400ab \ min;Report S.M.A.R.T.)
- Windows 7 "Ultimate" (64-bit)

Report
Briefly about testing methodology: load time metering>removing updates>reboot>search for updates (without installation, just wait until svchost and TrustedInstaller stop loading CPU)>reboot>load time measurement.

  • Download duration before deleting KB3179573 and KB3172605: 65 seconds
  • The duration of the completion of work before deleting KB3179573 and KB3172605: 10 seconds

  • Download duration after deleting KB3179573 and KB3172605: 81 seconds
  • Duration of completion after removing KB3179573 and KB3172605: 8 seconds


It should be noted, the results surprised me a little. I didn’t expect that removing two updates would slow down the system load so much (as much as 16 seconds!). I did the defragmentation through the regular Windows defragmenter, but this did not affect the situation:

  • Download duration after defragmentation: 82 seconds
  • Duration of completion after defragmentation: 9 seconds


I decided to install KB3179573 and KB3172605 back. Results:
  • Download duration after installing KB3179573 and KB3172605 back: 50 seconds
  • The duration of the completion of work after the installation of KB3179573 and KB3172605 back: 10 seconds


Made defragmentation (KB3179573 and KB3172605, respectively, installed):
  • Download duration after defragmentation: 44 seconds
  • Duration of completion after defragmentation: 12 seconds


If you want to know my opinion, then much more depends on the speed of the disk subsystem. Even during the time of Windows XP, hard drives often became a bottleneck, and after the release of Windows 7, the presence of an SSD became necessary for comfortable work at a computer. But if it still seems to you that the system began to load or shut down longer after installing any updates, then just defragment it. I guess this will return your usual boot time and shutdown time.

Verdict:not confirmed



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System boot timemore convenientmore precisely mark applications for this purpose.
Anyway, thanks for the work done and the time spent. Plus flew away.
Avatar-Lion @ 12.02.18, 20:42*
Windows 7 "Ultimate" (64-bit)
That's what became interesting. Winda pirate or license?



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Assassin225 @ 12.02.18, 22:28*
System boot time is more convenient to pinpoint applications for this purpose intended

This is what, for example? And, most importantly, why did you think that they would be more accurate than monitoring by the system itself?

Assassin225 @ 12.02.18, 22:28*
Winda pirate or license?

Activation was performed using SLIC 2.1. If you know what it is, then this answer will be enough for you. If you do not know, then I can only recommend reading about the three-component mechanism for activating Windows 7 (the first spoiler inthistopic).

P.S. Hope to get on Rutreker, you know.

Post has been editedAvatar-lion - 12.02.18, 22:39



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Avatar-Lion @ 12.02.18, 22:32*
This is what, for example?
Bootracerhttp://www.greatis.com/bootracer/
Avatar-Lion @ 12.02.18, 22:32*
And, most importantly, why did you think that they would be more accurate than monitoring by the system itself?
And how on Win 7 monitor system? On Win 10, you can easily find out through the Task Manager.
Avatar-Lion @ 12.02.18, 22:32*
Activation was performed using SLIC 2.1. If you know what it is, then this answer will be enough for you. If you do not know, then I can only recommend reading about the three-component mechanism for activating Windows 7 (the first spoiler in this topic).
It was up to say simply that pirate.



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Assassin225 @ 02.13.18, 08:26*
how on Win 7 to monitor the system?

You post number 1 in the topic just read? There it is written about it:http: //www.picshare.ru…/180213/f6a70MLDkD.png

About BootRacer did not know. Thank. The next time I use it, if someone complains about the long loading of the system.

About the "pirate". Yes, pirate. But I specifically indicated the method of activation, in order to exclude any speculation on the topic "But you have all the broken Winda, once pirated!". Already faced this repeatedly, alas.

Evastormm @ 13.02.18, 08:58*
ASUS k50c winndows 7, after installing updates does not load

Hit F8 before booting the system and select it:http://ps-land.ru/images/stories/statyi/10.png. Next, write the stop code number on the forum. If you do not have a blue screen, but simply some kind of error is displayed, then we write the error text on the forum. You can simply attach a photo of the screen to the message or upload it to some hosting service and provide a link to the image.

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I ask the moderator to remove the two previous evastormm posts (she just used the forum to show me the screen photo).

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On the topic: another victim ODIN (OEM Driver Installer). The use of a cracked OS kernel led to a blue screen of death, since it came into conflict with some updates.

Verdict: do not crack the core of the system and then everything will be fine.

Post has been editedAvatar-lion - 13.02.18, 12:17



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In general, the theme for what? Updates are needed unconditionally.



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Avatar-Lion @ 12.02.18, 16:40*
What is not an argument:
- Once I did not boot the system after installing some update
- After installing updates, I started to fail and slow down
- A friend of my brother's neighbor told me that he died of Wind after the update
- I read somewhere on the internet that updating does more harm than good
- My aunt at work has a boy programmer and he said that it is better to turn off the updates

1. What is it? Well, yes, it did not boot.
2. Oh, is this an argument? OK.
3. Generally, a friend of my nephew's aunt's neighbor. Yes, it was like that. Why not an argument then?
4. I agree, not an argument.
5. I agree.

In my experience I will say. I use Windows with version 95. I will say this, there have always been problems with updates since windows xp. Up to this point I have not met or do not remember, I will not lie. Only service packs were installed on xp, and then these updates were turned off. And if they did not turn off, then after installing any update, the computer rebooted for a long time, turned on for a long time (disk check for errors) and, of course, turned off for a long time. I do not remember problems on whist, but I used it after SP2.
But there was a problem on everyone’s favorite 7, then BSOD after installing the update, then explorer.exe was stupidly hanging. There was a lot of things, I will not paint everything. And so because of these patches, the OS started to work much slower.
I don’t remember 8 / 8.1 problems either, only performance degradation. I had no problems, it does not mean that they were not on other configurations either. Revoked updates regularly, that at the time of 7, that 8.

But about the wine 10 generally keep quiet. There are problems from updates constantly. Extreme builds (before major updates) work well, but when the next major update comes out, it all starts again. You will not open the start, then the percents with the disk are loaded due to telemetry.
Hindus in Microsoft at all started to wisely, how can you buy such a product?

According to the results I will say. Disabling updates is a personal matter for everyone, but there’s no point in installing them. They have more problems than good. Windy is leaky like a colander, and all the holes will not close. And on those holes on which updates come, nobody use them. Is it only in the corporate segment. Almost all updates to the corporation and then sent. We put Windows, let's say 7 with a service pack and a good antivirus and that's it. Home for the eyes.
If we put Windows for the money to the client, turn off all updates tightly! This is the first thing to do. Reputation is the most expensive!

About 10 generally keep quiet, the beta version, in which something constantly breaks.



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* raplain, post number 1 states how to bring evidence about the dangers of updates. Your words themselves have zero value.



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Avatar-Lion @ 2/04/18 16:37*
KB3177467 (Service Stack Update for Windows 7)
Why is the removal of this update unavailable!?
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For comparison, update KB3172605 and all the rest(I did not check all of them)you can delete
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Posted on 02/13/2018 1:16 PM:

And there are no recovery points before installing this update ...



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* Assassin225, if the update is a critical component of the system and is an integral part of it, then you really cannot delete it, although it will be listed as installed.



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Avatar-Lion @ 02.13.18, 13:21*
if the update is a critical component of the system and is an integral part of it, then you really cannot delete it, although it will be listed as installed.
Is it installed with you?



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* Assassin225, Yep The installation date is marked September 26, 2016. I mean about a week later how it came out (09/19/2016), so I set it up. Deletion is also not available if you are talking about it.



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Avatar-Lion @ 02.13.18, 13:01*
raplain, in post number 1 it is specified how to bring evidence about the dangers of updates. Your words themselves have zero value.

And why should I prove something to someone? I just share my experience on this OS with specific parameters. I am not going to prove anything to anyone, and I will not. And the time has passed.



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* Avatar-Lion
And why is this update not arriving anymore? I deleted it manually.
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