Choosing a laptop for a long time



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Hello. I ask the people who have been pampered to help me choose a laptop. Laptops usually go with me for a long time, the first for 3 years, the second for 5 years, so you need a less powerful one. Windows has always been. Mostly I sit on the Internet, sometimes, rarely can I kill time by playing some game. I use it every day. Here are the candidates

1. ASUS Zenbook UX310UA-FB894R, 13.3 ", Intel Core i7 7500U 2.7GHz (3.5 GHz, in Turbo mode) 2x nuclear, 8GB DDR4, 256GB SSD, Intel HD Graphics 620 (3200 Г— 1800)

2. HP Envy 13-ad108ur, 13.3 ", Intel Core i7 8550U 1.8 GHz (4.0 GHz, in Turbo mode) 4-core, 8 GB DDR3, 512 GB SSD, nVidia GeForce Mx150 - 2048 MB (3840 Г— 2160)

3. Apple MacBook Pro 13 "MPXW2 Core i5 7267U 3.1 Ghz (Turbo Boost up to 3.5 GHz) 2 core, 8 Gb DDR3, 512 Gb SSD, Iris 650 (2560x1600), Touch Bar

4. HP Specter x360 13-ac003ur, 13.3 ", Intel Core i7 7500U 2.7 GHz (3.5 GHz, in Turbo mode) 2-core, 16 GB, 512 GB SSD, Intel HD Graphics 620 (3840 Г— 2160)

Roughly laid out by price ascending. Your tips and options please. I will say in advance - I do not want to overpay =)



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* attacker43 , any game that is understood?



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* Artik6630 , Not fussy :) I can Lineage II, I can in cars, Counter-Strike, GTA 4-5 which one will pull or at all Star Wars 2010 Battlefront II. :) sometimes, purely to kill time, when there is free time.

Post has been editedattacker43 - 25.12.17, 19:42
Reason for editing: Corrected



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* attacker43,
Second.

However, with this resolution everything will be fine, scaling will have to be used, and there are problems with it (google).

Post has been editedD-IMAN - 25.12.17, 21:00



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* D-IMAN , I think either the second or the third one, at a price they are worth + -10.000 difference. What kind of scaling? I do not understand what is it? In general, I was looking for a lot of reviews and videos, and there’s nothing about this (second) laptop.



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either third,

Well, you don’t play much on it, because there are few games, and mostly not young games anymore, and OS / hardware is not for games like.

What kind of scaling? I do not understand what is it?

What is scaling.

Well, plus a couple of examples:
Cons 4k

Scaling issues

If it is not enough, google more, if not critical, do not hammer in the head.
ZY And yes, these problems are only with Windows, everything should be fine on Mac.

In general, I was looking for a lot of reviews and videos, and there’s nothing about this (second) laptop.

Though he came out not so long ago, but reviews on the idea should already be ...

Post has been editedD-IMAN - 25.12.17, 21:51



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D-IMAN @ 12.25.17, 10:50*
What is scaling.

Well, plus a couple of examples:
Cons 4k

Scaling issues

If it is not enough, google more, if not critical, do not hammer in the head.
ZY And yes, these problems are only with Windows, everything should be fine on Mac.

I understand that the displays for 4K have not yet been adapted ... manually reduce the resolution? Does the problem arise then? I didn’t quite understand, for I haven’t yet seen such a resolution in practice =) but the same MacBook has less resolution, and the question is what would be better ... o.O

D-IMAN @ 12.25.17, 10:50*
Though he came out not so long ago, but reviews on the idea should already be ...

All YouTube rummaged - nowhere is there a review on this laptop



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attacker43 @ 12.26.17, 13:06*
for I have not yet seen such permission in practice

The text is like on paper from a good magazine or book (you've probably seen this on smartphones). Do not want to return back fhd, only under the threat of execution. : lol: 4k is the most relevant at 17.3, where fhd has long been insufficient, the text merges. At 15.6, fhd is usually enough. But there is a snag. Only 4k matrix = 8 bit (24 bit color - 16.7 million colors). All fhd - 6 bit, that put in laptops up to 150k. The difference in simultaneously displayed shades - 31 times in favor of 4k.
The second is 4k matrixes almost all with 90% + sRGB coverage (cool for photos and kin). And more often they do not flicker (there is no PWM) and more often they have much better viewing angles and native contrast. And they are brighter than 15.6 almost always from modern supplies. Some solid pluses. Minus one - a wild price for laptops with 4k. Although the matrix itself is worth a penny - 9000-12000r at retail. But for its presence, vendors ask for + 40-50k. : D And keep in mind that replacing fhd ​​with 4k will not work, because in laptops with fhd there are 2 eDP channels, and 4k is needed 4. So if money doesn’t peck, of course you have to take 4k, without a doubt, choosing the best option, and if not, then there is no court.



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attacker43 @ 12.26.17, 13:06*
I understand that the displays for 4K have not yet been adapted ... manually reduce the resolution? Does the problem arise then?

Well, actually yes.

As an option, go to the nearest m-video (or similar stores), look at the 4K laptops to see if everything will be fine, roll the resolution / scaling. And then everything will become clear. ;)
(There should be laptops like 13.3 "with 4K, I remember not so long ago I saw there a dell with 4K and a diagonal less than 15").



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Guys, there still looked at these laptops, what do you say?

1. HP Envy x360 15-bp105ur 15.6 ", Intel Core i7 8550U 1.8 GHz (4.0 GHz, in Turbo mode), 8 GB DDR4, 1000 GB, 128 GB SSD, nVidia GeForce Mx150 - 4096 MB (IPS 1920 Г— 1080)
2. DELL Inspiron 7577 , 15.6 ", Intel Core i7 7700HQ 2.8 GHz (3.8 GHz, in Turbo mode), 16GB DDR4, 1000GB, 128GB SSD, nVidia GeForce GTX 1050 Ti - 4096 MB (IPS 1920 Г— 1080)


I like the first option because the touchscreen and the materials are better understood, and the 8th generation processor is a bit more compact and lighter, but the video card is worse understood than in the second version
Option 2 more operatives and better graphics card.
Price + - the same within they up to 80 thousand.

What do you say, specifically from these two, what do you choose?

Post has been editedattacker43 - 27.12.17, 12:39



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* attacker43 , the second has more power reserve, longer enough



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* OTTO077 But what can you say about the fact that the processor of the 7th generation (of the first 8th), so much RAM, yes, but I didn’t find any information on the first upgrade ... But the video card, albeit in both 4GB, is the second most abruptly yet ....



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* attacker43 The one of the eighth generation comes with the U index - energy saving. Accordingly, lower frequencies and performance, throttling with prolonged loads.



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* OTTO077 , This is bad? What kind of throttling? I do not understand)



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In 7577, the screen does not have enough stars from the sky, even though IPS is a great model. If ordered with eBay from the States, 55k with delivery will cost a model with i5-7300HQ, 1060 6GB Max-Q and SSD for 256 GB (without a classic hard drive).



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* Alex_8008 , but apparently I don’t like it at all, I see two advantages for myself: the video card and the amount of RAM.
By the way, I found the HP Envy 15 variant, with the same configuration, but the 12GB RAM and 4K display cost 12 thousand more than the one indicated here ...



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attacker43 @ 12/27/17 12:30*
HP Envy x360 15-bp105ur

The machine is good, but the IPS is a barn in it. PWM at 200Hz. In 4k version at least 1000Hz. Noisy.

7577, cheap and dim IPS (210-220 nits in total), but they write that there is no PWM, this is good, in addition it is matte. For print and surfing, it’s definitely better
According to the tests one of the best cooling systems. In surfing almost silent. But it is better to check in the store.

Both laptops have HDMI 2.0 and DisplayPort 1.2. At the same time connect 4k / 60Hz monitor + 4k TV at 60Hz. The 7577 TB 3.0 at 40Gbit / s. If necessary, it is possible even in the PCI-e 3.0 4x mode to pull up the coolest external video card. Or stir up DP1.4.

Screens are always a lottery, because matrix models change in batches. Check for PWM, angles, contrast, light necessarily. Anything can be.

7577 at the same price steeper in all. Definitely. 7700HQ will tear 8550 under continuous load. 8550 is a bit faster per core and under short load.
8GB is a deformity. Single channel mode. Immediately add + 4000r to the second 8GB. In Dell, immediately working config. Nothing more.

The 1050Ti is significantly faster than the MX150, which is generally an office video adapter. Although for games with 7700HQ, it is better not to take 1050Ti, at least 1070, in extreme cases a full-fledged 1060, but not 1060 Max-Q is truncated. Because 1050 Ti already part of the games does not pull at 50-60fps, even at high settings, without ultra. Not a balanced solution. But the x360 is generally an office balalaika with a thin and noisy body under load and flickering, glossy IPS with highlights. It would be a good option for the office, if it were not for a fucking pwm at 200Hz The 4k matrix version is quietly ordered from the USA for $ 1080 (delivered to us).

but 12GB RAM and 4K display

12GB is ugly. 8 + 4 (older 4GB in single-channel mode, memory speed is 2 times lower than it should be). Correct configs total 3 pieces 4 + 4, 8 + 8 and 16 + 16. Here in 7577 just 8 + 8.
Screen 4k is always better, because they are 8 bit (31 times more shades than 6 bit fhd - 262k vs 16.7 million), the corners are usually much better and the sRGB coverage (for photos is cool). Most do not flicker. But asking for them inadequate money. And in 15.6k 4k to anything. But at 17.3 most it. There, if you sit close enough, the text grit on fhd, like on cheap smartphones with HD screens. Who is sitting far away, it does not matter.

Post has been editedSw-777 - 28.12.17, 17:09



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* Sw-777 , thanks for so much detailed and detailed answer, now I understand that there is something, it’s a pity of course, I liked the design of HP, and the touch screen, I think it would be more convenient to lie and surf the internet.
The HP Envy 15 is still with this configuration, but the RAM 12 and 4K display. For some reason it seemed to me that the processor of the 8th generation would be steeper than the 7th. 1050Ti seems to be not bad for games, I watched reviews of good games, well, maybe some straight new ones will not be so pull ...
If we consider the laptop up to 80 thousand, then what would be able to advise then?



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attacker43 @ 12.28.17, 17:06*
HP liked the design

I liked it myself a month ago, I almost ordered it from the USA, but I came to my senses in time. He waited for tests on NB and immediately cooled down. To buy a screen with low-frequency PWM, if you are supposed to sit at the screen for a long time, to work in an office, you will not wish the enemy. Better angles are worse and dimmer than with PWM. But this is for me. Other people may be less sensitive to flicker. I have quick eyes.



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* Sw-777 , so detailed answer, that I now also retrain from advisers to questioners: D Could you explain which of these models would be better in terms of a set of characteristics?

1. https: //www.computerun...ro-5-an515-51-5344.asp
2. https: //www.computerun...er-xmg-a707-ve-swd.asp
3. https: //www.computerun…-15ikbn-80wk0042ge.asp

As I understand it, lenovo is a very budget solution, with a sluggish screen and not very high-quality performance. But here about Acer and Schenker of these models did not meet anything.


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