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[vvevvevve]

[email protected], 10:49

Speedtest they run in the 8th minute

I could not see the numbers there. Upload is something like 99 Mbps, and the download result is not visible. Yes, the quality is worthless. And nothing to do with 3D.

[email protected], 10:49

Reviewed

Is this a review? The boy 40 seconds quickly turns in his hands a piece of iron - so that almost nothing "in fact the matter" can not be considered. I did not see the holes for the 3rd and 4th antenna connectors, and you? Then they show the piece of iron in the holder - and these additional antennas are clearly not connected - in parallel with the picture from the projector, which is connected unknown. In the picture - 900 Mbit / s. What's this? Visitors want to say that the traffic goes on a mobile network? Lying is bad.

Posted on 1/31/2017 11:27:

[email protected], 10:49

The price of the version for Telstra will be 360 ​​dollars

Well, in principle, it is not so much for such a device. I expected a much larger amount.
Maybe this is the price of "burdening" - for example, with a contract for 24 months?

[sandwern]

[email protected], 11:23

Is this a review?

Mini-review - hands-on. I just don’t know how to translate hands-on into Russian, so that it still sounds decent.
Holes for ext. I also do not see antennas, only two main covered TS9 connectors.

[email protected], 11:23

In the picture - 900 Mbit / s. What's this? Visitors want to say that the traffic goes on a mobile network? Lying is bad.

There is reason to doubt? Simply, I think, such conditions are created in which the piece of iron manifests itself to the full. Under actual operating conditions such will not occur. The subtitles of the video read: "Althought 300Mbps" - 0:16.

[email protected], 11:23

Maybe this is the price of "burdening" - for example, with a contract for 24 months?

Apparently, no. This is what the subtitles in the video show: "M1 is priced at $ 360 outright or on contract." - 01:08.

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 11:39

[vvevvevve]

[email protected], 11:33

There is reason to doubt?

In the sense of? In LTE, at the present stage of development of standards, it is impossible to get 900 Mbit / s without MIMOx4.
No, I'm lying: you can. C MIMOx8 or 5CA. :)

[sandwern]

[email protected], 11:44

In the sense of? In LTE, at the present stage of development of standards, it is impossible to get 900 Mbit / s without MIMOx4.
No, I'm lying: you can. C MIMOx8 or 5CA.

In the datasheet (message 26 of this topic) it says about the presence of 4x4 MIMO. So the technology is still supported. Another question is that not everyone will drill holes in the housing for this case and hot-melt connectors. =)

P.S. All that managed to find about UE LTE Cat.16 - standard 3GPP TS 36.306, or rather its current versionV14.1.0 (2016-12)(cm.page 18).

In the table we see the following:

UE DL Category:DL Category 16;
Maximum number of DL-SCH transport block bits received within a TTI: 978960 - 1051360;
Maximum number of bits of a DL-SCH transport block received within a TTI:

• 149776 (4 layers, 64QAM)
  
• 195816 (4 layers, 256QAM)
  
• 75376 (2 layers, 64QAM)
  
• 97896 (2 layers, 256QAM)

Total number of soft channel bits: 12789504;
Maximum number of layers for spatial multiplexing in DL:2 or 4.

Now the question is, do I understand correctly that when using MIMO 2x2 and 256QAM, it is theoretically possible to get a speed close to the cherished gigabit? :)

P.S. In 3GPP, apparently, they decided to use the LTE-Advanced Pro designation for the older categories (pre-5G).

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 12:26

[vvevvevve]

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 12:04

not everyone will drill holes in the housing for this case and hot-melt connectors

And, that is, you think that connectors for two more antennas are there? Only they are not available directly - you need to drill holes. In general, everything is the same: it is not for nothing that plastic with such round decorative elements is used on the upper surface of the device: if you dig two such pieces in the right places, you can also insert the connectors ... :) Original solution. And those who are satisfied with "real world use", do not need to do anything.
Is it really so difficult to add another 2 TS9 on the end? After all, the lateral surface is practically all “empty”.

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 12:04

Now the question is, do I understand correctly that when using MIMO 2x2 and 256QAM, it is theoretically possible to get a speed close to the cherished gigabit?

Yes, with 5CA. With such parameters - 200 Mbit / s per carrier.
More precisely, if you use the data cited by you, then 97896 bits per TTI at TTI = 1 ms gives 97896000 bps per stream. For two streams, respectively, 97896000 * 2 = 195792000 bits / s = 195.792 Mbps. Accordingly, with 5CA in ideal conditions, the limit is 195.792 * 5 = 978.96 Mbit / s.
The use of modulation schemes with the number of positions more than 256, as well as aggregation with the number of carriers more than 5, the standard does not mean as far as I know.

Post has been editedvvevvevve - 31.01.17, 12:46

[sandwern]

[email protected], 12:34

Is it really so difficult to add another 2 TS9 on the end? After all, the lateral surface is practically all “empty”.

Or maybe they deliberately leave the "shoals", so that was where to develop? :)

In the AC790, GSM is disabled;
The AC810 did not finish 256QAM (on the first firmware version?);
The Nighthawk M1 did 4x4 MIMO, but 2 connectors were left under the case ...

At the same time, the cost of each subsequent product is higher and higher. How much then, I wonder, will the router cost on MDM9x6x? People then will not take it at all. And if in the case of the AC810 I can hardly name almost 10 known users, then in the case of M1, the situation becomes very vague, and with X50 even more so ...

[vvevvevve]

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 12:52

In the AC790 disconnected GSM

Well, it can somehow be explained. Say, they are supporters of everything new and consider it their duty to lead their customers a direct path to progress ...

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 12:52

The AC810 did not finish 256QAM

Here, probably, it is not they who are to blame, but Qualcomm. Although, and they have there - in Netgear, perhaps, there are persistent supporters "to the end" to use the firmware assemblies of the modem subsystem of two years ago. As in Alcatel, I mean.

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 12:52

The Nighthawk M1 did 4x4 MIMO, but 2 connectors were left under the case ...

But this is not understand. Make 2 additional connectors or worldview, nor any other "troubles" can not interfere. Saving on these connectors ... well, also not serious - all the more, at such a cost.
Here I would rather suggest a clear understanding by the developers that 99% of subscribers will not connect these 3rd and 4th antennas. In my opinion, it is quite obvious. Without them, the piece of hardware theoretically provides a top speed of 600 Mbps, which, to date, is quite enough. And those people who still want to try MIMOx4 will not stop the need to drill holes in the case and fix the connectors with glue.
It is also possible that Telstra on the network is still not so good with this MIMOx4, as we would like. Yes, and Qualcomm in the firmware - too. In general, they decided not to fool around, not to tempt the people, not to provoke foolish questions so far.

Sandwern @ 01/31/17, 12:52

How much then, I wonder, will the router cost on MDM9x6x?

It's too early to think about it. So far, at 9x4x, in the world, count, only one piece of hardware, actually present on the market. And, most unpleasant, it is not clear - why she is still alone. On all previous platforms (with LTE support), Alcatel clearly walked with a 5 ... 10-month lag from the Sierras. By 9x4x, this period has already been exceeded by half, at a minimum, and no public evidence that "just about, and will be," I still do not observe.
And if there is no competition, then what's the point of reducing prices? Who needs, he will buy. Others will buy an older model, which Sierra / NG / Telstra has plenty to suit every taste. They didn’t "miss" any of the Qualcomm platforms. Is it just that Sierra "missed" 9x25 as a platform for modules.

Post has been editedvvevvevve - 31.01.17, 13:28

[sandwern]

Netgear on its website (15 hours ago at the time of publication of this message) publishedPress releaseabout the event in Sydney.

Key features of the device Netgear Nighthawk M1 (translation from the article):

• High-speed mobile Internet - Up to 1 Gbit / s per download / 150 Mbit / s per return
  
• 4G LTE Advanced Category 16 with 4-Band Carrier Aggregation
  
• Ethernet port and 2 USB ports (Type A, Type C) for streaming media content from microSD or external storage to all connected devices
  
• Wi-Fi / Ethernet Offloading: Smooth traffic switching from the operator’s network to the Wi-Fi network
  
• Ability to connect up to 20 users to the access point Wi-Fi router
  
• Parental control and scheduled access
  
• Wi-FI access point with simultaneous operation in 2.4GHz / 5GHz bands
  
• NETGEAR application for mobile devices running iOS and Android
  
• High capacity battery capable of providing up to 24 hours of continuous use of the device
  
• Improved JumpBoost technology for charging various portable devices from the USB port of the router
  
• Two TS-9 connectors for 4G / 3G antenna connection
  
• NETGEAR limited warranty and free support for 90 days
  
• The device is completely ready to work in the newest LTE network of the Telstra company

The device will be available at a price of $ 360 AUD (Australian dollars). Another name NETGEAR Nighthawk M1 - MR1100.
360 Australian dollars = 16 358.9987 Russian rubles (01/31/2017).

Landing-page of the router Nighthawk M1:http: //www.netgear.com…_netgear_organic
Datasheet:http: //www.netgear.com...a_MR1100-Datasheet.pdf

Rear

Specifications version for Australia:
• Up to 1 Gbit / s per download / 150 Mbit / s per return
• LTE CAT 16, LTE Advanced 4-band CA, 4x4 MIMO
• 4-band carrier aggregation
• LTE / 4G 700/900/1800/2100/2600 MHz
• Dimensions: 105.5 (length) x 105.5 (width) x 20.35 (height) mm
• Weight: 240 g (with battery)
• Battery: 5040 mAh for using the device for 24 hours

Post has been editedsandwern - 31.01.17, 21:23

[Viajante]

[email protected], 10:04

We decided to use the LTE-Advanced Pro designation for higher categories (pre-5G).

IMHO, with the introduction of categories (which determine both speed and aggregation), the need for names as such has disappeared. The category uniquely identifies and explains.

[vvevvevve]

[email protected], 02:41

IMHO, with the introduction of categories (which determine both speed and aggregation), the need for names as such has disappeared

Such a need never existed. Categories contain unambiguous technical definitions, and these "xG" - marketing names of various technologies. There is no point in using the latter in technical discussions because of their ambiguity and ambiguity. Recall, at least, more recently, the situation with “4G”, by which different people understood not only different technical details, but also different radio access technologies: in America “4G” was called UMTS HSPA +, and in Europe - LTE. Or, for example, with "3G" in Ukraine (still) or in the same America: it can be either a CDMA EV-DO or UMTS.

[lewisreed]

[email protected], 08:56

more recently, the situation with "4G"

+1 In one of the topics I wrote about the stationary router of Huawei, who at the end of 2013 appeared at MegaFon at the start of sales as 4G, and in 2014 - as 4G +, although he was Cat.3.

[sandwern]

[email protected], 08:56

Such a need never existed. Categories contain unambiguous technical definitions, and these "xG" - marketing names of various technologies.

Doesn’t the number in this title meangeneration of mobile radio technology? And then, the logic of the Americans is quite clear to itself that if H + is 3.5G, then it can be attributed to 4G.

[email protected], 16:16

MegaFon at the start of sales as 4G, and in 2014 already as 4G +, although it was Cat.3.

Megaphone has separate cockroaches on this. In my opinion, the operator misleads users by the fact that any device with 4G marks the logo "Works on 4G +".
And it really raises questions, because no other operator seems to be doing this.

[vvevvevve]

Sandwern @ 01.02.17, 16:28

Doesn't the number in this title denote the generation of mobile radio technology? And then, the logic of the Americans is quite understandable.

But we are here, when discussing technical issues, we are not interested in the logic of these Americans who use it. If we confuse UMTS with LTE or CDMA, then we will not discuss anything sensible. The glands strongly "dislike" vague and ambiguous definitions and actions. And it’s good that in the case of the glands, which we are talking about here, such actions cannot lead to any serious, catastrophic consequences.

Sandwern @ 01.02.17, 16:28

In my opinion, the operator misleads users by the fact that any device with 4G marks the logo "Works on 4G +".

He does not enter anyone anywhere. Because “4G +” is nothing, “dummy”. Just a set of three characters that has no physical meaning. You can consider this an unregistered (or already registered?) Trademark of Megafon services based on LTE networks.

[sandwern]

By the way, it appearedfirst videoabout MR1100 in real conditions of operation. The result is 359.41 Mb / s per download, ~ 52.67 Mb / s per upload.
Apparently, a MacBook is used to access the Internet through a router.

Post has been editedsandwern - 01.02.17, 18:09

[Viajante]

[email protected], 15:39

359.41 Mbit / s per download, ~ 52.67 Mbit / s per return.

surprisingly, the returns are not growing. and she also needs it.

[sandwern]

Viajante @ 02.02.17, 19:21

surprisingly, the returns are not growing. and she also needs it.

The device supports carrier aggregation for upload, but we do not know whether this functionality is implemented in the Telstra network.

Withdescription pagesX16 modem:
Uplink Features
 Qualcomm® Snapdragon ™ Upload +
 2x20 MHz carrier aggregation
 Up to 2x 75Mbps LTE streams - a total of 150 Mb / s as stated in the MR1100 specifications
 Up to 64-QAM
 Uplink data compression

In general, in Moscow, Megafon sometimes managed to observe returns55-60 Mbps(I lie - 45-50 Mbit / s), however, oddly enough, on the router Cat.4 - TP-Link M7350. No other device like this has ever met ...

Post has been editedsandwern - 02.02.17, 19:35

[bunker666]

http: //www.netgear.com…-mr1100-mobile-router/
The battery is good.

[Viajante]

here's another news:Qualcomm, Telstra, Netgear, and Ericsson Bring Gigabit LTE to Australia

[bunker666]

Manualhttp: //www.downloads.n...id=wmt_netgear_organic

[sandwern]

Bunker666 @ 08.02.17, 18:35

Manualhttp: //www.downloads.n...id=wmt_netgear_organic

Interestingly, 4CA support is claimed, and not a word about it in the manual:

4G LTE CA: 1800 + 700, 1800 + 2600, 2600 + 700, 2600 + 2600, 700 + 1800 + 2600, 1800 + 2600 + 2600, 700 + 2600 + 2600 MHz
4G LTE: 700, 900, 1800, 2100, 2600 MHz
3G: 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz

Telstra version SKU code: MR1100-1TLAUS

Of the benefits: a removable battery and a hardware reset button, which was very lacking on previous models (AirCard).
Well, then from myself I’ll add some information to the materials of previous authors: photo connectors and battery photo. Does it seem to me alone, or are there really two more TS9 connectors under the cover? Although no, most likely it is the screws ...

A source:https://ausdroid.net/2…-lte-portable-hotspot/

Post has been editedsandwern - 08.02.17, 19:22