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Hello everyone! Help someone understand? !!! advise to purchase a kit or separately cameras and a recorder? I want to put 2-3 cameras on the street (analog). View 10-20 meters with the support of night vision of average quality of shooting. The budget is 8-10 rubles. I only have a bad internet 2ji.
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READ !!! - Why take an analog?
Now for this money you can take and IP.
Registrars -https: //www.aliexpress...=0&isViewCP=y&jump=afs
Cameras -https: //www.aliexpress...da408db3d27226112ea325
https: //www.aliexpress...756301-01098-uR7uBY3Rz
https: //www.aliexpress...=0&isViewCP=y&jump=afs
sets -https: //www.aliexpress...=0&isViewCP=y&jump=afs
Brand Kit with Alihttps: //www.aliexpress....354d5e83a106e1b4b9d1c2
Dahua Kits -https: //www.aliexpress....354d5e83a106e1b4b9d1c2
Personally, I would, for a person who does not understand anything in this matter and does not want to read this thread, advised the kit, everything is there, except for the hard drive. Take the hard drive at home, you can take it from the old computer (well, not very old :))
If you take in parts, you still need to buy a cable with connectors, a power supply for cameras and a switch.
I prefer to build kits myself, it comes out cheaper and better.
I cite these references as examples, I do not propose to take them. They are here for reference only.
If you want to have fewer problems with equipment and high-quality video from cameras day and night, turn your attention to branded equipment or at least to their replicas.
With Ali, I can recommend three companies:
Dahua, Hikvision, XM.
The first two are world-renowned firms, the third is significantly inferior in quality but wins much in price. Most of the Chinese, so-called "brands", in fact, are the collector of someone else's stuffing in someone else's body and sticking their labels, the stuffing usually comes from XM.
If the filling is not even from the HM, you should think about buying such cameras. They can not "marry" with equipment from other manufacturers.

If you are the old video surveillance systems. Or you have already installed analog cameras earlier and you can not change the coaxial cables laid earlier, you can set up an analog digital video surveillance system. They are available in several types of AHD, HDCVI, HDTVI. The most common AHD. Therefore, I will further call all these digital-analog systems AHD. (this is not correct, but here I want it. You can consider any of these systems, in principle they do not differ much from each other, but differ greatly from a simple analogue)
With the AHD recorder, old analog cameras can work, but this needs to be clarified when purchasing a recorder. So you can make a painless transition from analogue to AHD, replacing the recorder to start, and then buy the camera.
Ahd kits -https: //www.aliexpress...dcown0vx3jc6s94&af=208
AHD recorders -https: //www.aliexpress...xhk1kviyh7zrixv&af=208
AHD cameras -https: //www.aliexpress....354d5e83a106e1b4b9d1c2
HDCVI kits -https: //www.aliexpress...=0&isViewCP=y&jump=afs
HDCVI Cameras -https: //www.aliexpress....354d5e83a106e1b4b9d1c2
HDCVI recorders -https: //www.aliexpress...mvddmbjxuc64c6f&af=208
XVR - Hybrid recorders (supports cameras including both old analog and new digital ones. Including ip simultaneously) -https: //www.aliexpress...=0&isViewCP=y&jump=afs

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Why take an analog?
Now for this money you can take and IP.
Registrar -https: //www.aliexpress...fb1-683632ad8c24&tpp=1
Cameras -https: //www.aliexpress....12315_32427559863.html https: //www.aliexpress....12315_32428278443.html
set -https: //www.aliexpress....12315_32734871747.html
Personally, I would advise the kit, everything is there, except for the hard drive. Take it at home, you can take it from the old computer (well, not very old :))
If you take in parts, you still need to buy a cable with connectors, a power supply for cameras and a switch.

https: //m.ru.aliexpres…l&_escaped_fragment_=&What do you think, but this will be the norm? And this camera will fit this kithttps://m.ru.aliexpress.com/item/731460765.html https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=PsPfD-qYJEE https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=WEbKUaqT2zICan this video set work on motion?

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This is not an outdoor camera and without illumination, you can put it, but not for long :) I understood the question onthisPlease throw links not from the mobile version, there is no normal description. I threw you a normal kit. I do not urge you to take it from this seller, but I strongly recommend taking IP. Of course, you can also buy an AHD kit, but for cheap samples I like the picture less, although there are also pluses and minuses. It is better to buy a kit, because you will only need to purchase a hard drive and not bother with the coordination of the equipment. If there is someone who will crimp the cable, you can take the kit without a cable, if not, then choose a set with cables right away
From the seller who’s with the videoherenot a bad kit. Ask the seller to send you a kit for 2-3 cameras, it will be cheaper. The length of the cables, I think, too, can be negotiated with the seller. Although from my practice, the cable goes cheaper to find on the spot and compress it in place. But this I think for each person in different ways ...

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This is not an outdoor camera and without illumination, you can put it, but not for long :) I understood the question onthisPlease throw links not from the mobile version, there is no normal description. I threw you a normal kit. I do not urge you to take it from this seller, but I strongly recommend taking IP. Of course, you can also buy an AHD kit, but for cheap samples I like the picture less, although there are also pluses and minuses. It is better to buy a kit, because you will only need to purchase a hard drive and not bother with the coordination of the equipment. If there is someone who will crimp the cable, you can take the kit without a cable, if not, then choose a set with cables right away
From the seller who’s with the videoherenot a bad kit. Ask the seller to send you a kit for 2-3 cameras, it will be cheaper. The length of the cables, I think, too, can be negotiated with the seller. Although from my practice, the cable goes cheaper to find on the spot and compress it in place. But this I think for each person in different ways ...

I don’t have kits with ip cameras, I don’t have a shitty internet (I can’t say I don’t have any internet access)
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I don’t have kits with ip cameras, I don’t have a shitty internet (I can’t say I don’t have any internet access)
Why do you need the Internet? IP cameras work over the network, the bundle that I have indicated is everything for organizing this network, you simply cannot watch without the Internet in another city or on another street, and at home everything will be fine! There everything is the same, the cameras cling to the cable, the cable to the recorder, the recorder to the TV or monitor. Mouse to the registrar and all! Even the power cable and power supply for the cameras is not needed! Everything!
Threat If you wish, plug a 3G - 4G modem into the USB and watch at least from another country! But this is if necessary, and so, no Internet is needed.
WEB cameras will not be able to work in 24/7/365 mode, they will bend, for a laptop it is a heavy load, I haven’t met any normal non-buggy prog for this, I’m against the organization of video surveillance on a computer, it’s either very expensive or very buggy! I work in the field of video surveillance, and I realized 10 years ago that video on a computer, only for very knowledgeable people, for a simple user, in non-serviced places, is only a recorder. Once set up and everything - just vacuuming every six months.

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Hello.
What else can you recommend for street observation with Ali from the good? You say that you understand, tell inexperienced. Are there cameras that work without a wire (there is no desire to pull now)?
Just tell me, please. How is the connection to the server and to which one to view via the Internet? Will 3G video go?
There is such a camera on ail (not a kit, but I like an example of a picture from it)
https: //www.aliexpress....14.41010308.4.2.uOKzV2
And here is a set of them.
https: //www.aliexpress....14.12010612.0.0.QC5rcj

What do you think?

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There is such a camera on ail (not a kit, but I like an example of a picture from it)
https: //www.aliexpress....14.41010308.4.2.uOKzV2
And here is a set of them.
https: //www.aliexpress....14.12010612.0.0.QC5rcj

What can I say, good entry level cameras.
But if we need wireless, this is a big question - the wire is always better! And the main thing in this matter - and how will you feed them?
And yet, if you are going to watch on 3G, then the camera or recorder to which it will be connected is better to choose with the P2P function. According to your links, I did not see it.
And yet, a separate camera, not the same as in the kit, it does not have a wifi. Cameras and recorder, it is better to take with support for 2Mr, - the price is not much different, and the picture is much better (take less if you are very low on money, but for my own, I’d better podkopil.)


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Here in this kit everything is what you need + reserve for 4 cameras
http: //www.aliexpress....208.99999999.27.VPgwFF
What kind of P2P cloud? Is it something realized by the Chinese themselves?


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and what is better to take for an apartment (preferably something unobtrusive)? rather I want to install one camera on the landing (no one can take it off, because it will be behind bars)

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What kind of P2P cloud? Is it something realized by the Chinese themselves?

This is a server in the cloud that allows you to connect to the camera without having a static ip on it. Another way to connect to a camera with a "gray" ip is almost impossible (well, for a normal user, not a special hacker)
when such a camera (registrar) is connected to the Internet, after receiving its ip from the provider, it runs to the server and reports its location and the server knows where to look for this particular camera (using its p2p code) When you need to connect to it from the Internet, your smartphone (tablet, computer) runs to this server and asks where this camera (recorder) with such a p2p name (passport is all individual, like poppy addresses, but with a poppy it does not roll), the server gives a link — address, after which physical connection already bypassing the server.
Also, the p2p server allows you to record video on them (to the cloud), thereby having the opportunity to do without a registrar, or make a real-time copy from the recording in case of the destruction or theft of the DVR with recording.

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and what is better to take for an apartment (preferably something unobtrusive)? rather I want to install one camera on the landing (no one can take it off, because it will be behind bars)

Behind the bars, anything, which is enough money for your needs.

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Advise the specific positions of the kits with all the necessary buns, please. I want to put in the country. I do not understand this. I can compress the wires myself.
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Advise the specific positions of the kits with all the necessary buns, please. I want to put in the country. I do not understand this. I can compress the wires myself.

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for example, a set of links to ali from the site 4 pda can not be opened - so look for in the search engine store Gadinan Official Storehttp://yandex.ru/clck/…uniq150561681177010927and there for example there is everything, but it can be found cheaper, but cheaper does not mean better. but look for more cameras if you want (I have 8) so that the recording device is at the back with 8th camera outputs. and so take the kit (or better separately):
1. cables - according to the number of cameras and the length from the cameras to the recording device, preferably with connectors for power supply and the camera itself
2. the cameras themselves, but choose according to the temperature mode (if for the street, that would be up to the minus temperature)
3. DVR recorder
4. normal hard drive from the computer.
5. I almost forgot the power supplies for the cameras. An example of such, but you can also observe your main power supply parameters of the camera:
http: //video5.rf/voprosy_i_otvety.html http://esv-samara.ru/

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Good day. also asked a similar question
What say about the wifi camera? easier to install, but will there be problems with them and what is the actual installation radius from the console.
Installation is planned in the apartment, entrance, street. I want different cameras (street, room) will there be a problem with this? just the same in the kits
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GoodWin001 @ 09/19/17, 8:35*
Good day. also asked a similar question
What say about the wifi camera?
Write in a personal, there are different options, even with a record in the cloud.


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GoodWin001 @ 09/19/17, 15:35*
Good day. also asked a similar question
What say about the wifi camera?easier to install, but will there be problems with them and what is the actual installation radius, from the console.
Installation is planned in the apartment, the entrance, the street. I want different cameras(street, indoor) will there be problems with it? just the same in the kits

Well, firstly, not much easier. To the camera, you still need to carry food, then why put wi-fi? Wi fi, it doesn’t work very well through walls, wi fi falls off and it doesn’t always connect itself without rebooting (are we talking about budget wi fay?) In short, it’s better to forget about it in the budget segment.
About the internal and outdoor cameras.
It all depends on the region where you live. And the installation method. My friend hung the inner chamber on the street under a canopy and it is not strange, she worked for 4 years! Although in winter it reaches almost 40 degrees (though not often), I don’t advise you to do this only if you get it for free and there’s no other. There is no guarantee that your camera will work so much.
Street Chinese cameras, of the budget segment, are usually designed for minus 10-15 degrees, but they remain fully functional at -40. It happens that in a severe frost the image goes to the green. Well, maybe there are some other incidents, then no one will ever tell you exactly what maybe you should understand. The Chinese do not put heaters in their budget cameras (they should be placed in outdoor cameras), so the main focus should be on moisture resistance (if it is not enough, the camera will sweat inside and the image will not be).
The camera is better to choose at least 2x MP
For example:https: //www.aliexpress... .4cda-8082-dccdd58f32cc
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Now about the video recorder
If you are going to install 4 cameras, it is better to choose a recorder on 8 cameras (we are talking now about ip surveillance), the recorder should be able to write at least 2x MP, better more. The difference in price will not be big, but the processor will stand better (there the difference will be just in the processor) There are still many other nuances, but for now this is enough for you. Yes, P2P support is still desirable, if you want to watch your cameras on the Internet (if the cameras have such support, then they can be viewed on the Internet without even having P2P in the recorder) The difference in price will not be significant, therefore the presence of P2P is very desirable.
For myself, I choose recorders with support for more than 5 MPs (they are better percent, and you can connect higher resolution cameras if necessary) But such recorders are already a bit more expensive.
Here is a budget recorder:https: //www.aliexpress...000015.10.bdb90adEmwgu
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The scheme of inclusion of everything that can be attached is approximately as follows:
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Cross marked what is not necessary in our case.
On a hard disk - In principle, any disk will go to 4 cameras, but I strongly do not recommend taking the “green” series. But I recommend the "purple" series - HDD for video surveillance. Very reliable drives, but cheaper server options.
On nutrition: It is better to calculate it, in the description of the cameras, the current of their consumption is written, choose the maximum and add.
Powering the DVR and 12 volt cameras means that you can use one power source for this. If your router (or switch) is also powered by 12 volts (there are such), then you can purchase a 12 volt bespereboynik with a battery, and be sure that if the crooks cut off your network, the video will still be recorded.
Cable: for those who do not have the opportunity to be confused with the cable (Lan cable, patchcord), you can buy ready. If you have 4 cameras, then there is no point in using a POE camera, since a POE switch is not cheap, and if you don’t understand what it’s about, then you shouldn’t go further.
Therefore, we take this cable:
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just for starters, we measure the distance to the camera, from the place of the switch - router, then add a little, just in case, and order ready-made pieces of the desired length.
If you can make a Lan cable in place (the cable should be 4-pair - 8 lived), order yourself such things for each camera:
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These tips will help to do everything beautifully and reliably. But do not forget that all connectors need to be hidden in the distribution box (input and output from the box, it is better to do the bottom)
If you understand what you are doing, then you can assemble the entire cable yourself.


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for example, a set of links to ali from the site 4 pda can not be opened - so look for in the search engine store Gadinan Official Storehttp://yandex.ru/clck/…uniq150561681177010927and there for example there is everything, but it can be found cheaper, but cheaper does not mean better. but look for more cameras if you want (I have 8) so that the recording device is at the back with 8th camera outputs. and so take the kit (or better separately):
1. cables - according to the number of cameras and the length from the cameras to the recording device, preferably with connectors for power supply and the camera itself
2. the cameras themselves, but choose according to the temperature mode (if for the street, that would be up to the minus temperature)
3. DVR recorder
4. normal hard drive from the computer.
5. I almost forgot the power supplies for the cameras. An example of such, but you can also observe your main power supply parameters of the camera:
http: //video5.rf/voprosy_i_otvety.html http://esv-samara.ru/

It seems you write everything correctly, but did not indicate one feature, your description for analog or AHD video surveillance. There are differences with ip.

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Many thanks for the detailed answer.
Greega @ 09/21/17, 04:56*
Well, firstly, not much easier.

Yes, I changed my mind, now I look at the cameras with ROE
Greega @ 09/21/17, 04:56*
The Chinese in their low cost cameras do not put heaters

Yes, but according to the reviews they work, and in my plans there will be one on the street, and if she orders to live for a long time, replace specifically one camera with a more expensive camera and I’m not harder to work hard.
Greega @ 09/21/17, 04:56*
Now about the video recorder

Here xs, I saw your scheme, but wouldn't it be better to look at Registrator_swich with POE? I think they are straightforward created for such small video_systems.

I would also like to be able to record sound, at least from 2 cameras. I don’t understand why the Chinese didn’t think of making a camera with sound and video recording right away. As I understand, in an inexpensive segment there are only cameras with a microphone and a 3.5mm socket and a 3.5mm socket on the recorder, that is, an additional cable is required for sound.

Could you recommend a Chinese brand? I'm still looking for ready-made kitshttps://aliexpress.com/08.99999999.280.X9WZpJ
There are no pictures of camera sockets, but the NVR has 1 - input 1 is output for audio. As I understand it, you can write sound from the 1st camera.

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