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DiscussionAinol Novo 10 Hero II
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Specifications
  • Processor: quad Actions ATM7029, Cortex A5, Arm v7, 1.2 GHz
  • Video Accelerator: Vivante GC1000 +
  • Operating system: Android 4.2
  • RAM: 1GB DDR3L
  • Built-in memory: 16GB
  • Screen size: 10.1 inches (16:10)
  • Display Type: IPS
  • Display Resolution: 1280x800
  • Camera: Front 0.3 MP, 2 MP Rear
  • Motion sensor 3 axis
  • The number of simultaneous screen touches: 10
  • Wi-Fi: 802.11b / g / n
  • Bluetooth: No
  • GPS: No
  • 2G: No
  • 3G: Support for external modems
  • Vibration motor: Yes
  • Speakers: 2
  • Battery: 8000mAh
  • Dimensions: 266 x 181 x 11 mm
  • Weight: 646g.
  • Charger: AC Adapter Input 100 ~ 240V Output 5V-3A
  • Microphone: Yes
  • Connector USB: support RJ45 Ethernet (AF9700) (Ethernet Dongle ASIX AX887728)
  • Memory card slot: Support 2GB - 32GB
  • Connector HDMI: Micro HDMI, HDMI V1.4
  • Processor: 3.5 mm output
Reviews
Overview Ainol NOVO 10 Hero II
Equipment
Sam tablet larger and, accordingly, has a rather big package. The charger is in a separate box, all the rest are hidden within the main package. The primary packaging made of cardboard, the touch robust and reliable. I note on packing processor frequency indicated 1.5 GHz, whereas synthetic test frequency of 1.2 GHz
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Encouraged charger with ferrite ring. Moreover, due to the output current of 3 A, the plate 8000 mAh battery for charging for only a few hours, while the battery charger with a current of 0.5 A already coped hours at 15. However, in the latter embodiment, the charging process is occurred through USB port, and first through a dedicated connector for charging, but still .... The kit also comes under our outlet adapter.
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USB-microUSB cable and documentation in Chinese (manual, warranty card).
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Design, ergonomics
The body is made in a dark color and consists of three colors, which gives solidity to the plate. Faceplate - Black Gloss, edging - ripe plum (dark purple), a back cover - wet asphalt (dark gray). Also worth noting is that the rear part of the housing metal. Some models with body deformation observed a slight creaking. Get rid of it as possible, but will have to open the case and all the places latches stick tape.
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The front panel consists of a 10.1-inch display with a glossy black frame around. In the center of the long side of the frame is a 0.3 megapixel front-facing camera. The entire front part is covered with glass, but not hot.
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Rear panel in appearance looks like a two-part - gray cap and a dark purple fringing. In fact, the rear part of one whole.
Although a large plate, dimensions 261 x 177 x 9.8 mm and the weight of 669 grams, it is quite convenient. Of course, with one hand to keep it hard and not very comfortable, but the two just right. Comfortable grip promotes non-slip back panel and narrower ends. In addition, the back cover is not strong Mara, although fingerprints can be seen.
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Behind is the second camera 2 megapixel, cartoon logo and two external speaker. The sound quality is average +, this is definitely not a stereo, though here and two speakers. Volume is good. On the top side of the device placed three mechanical buttons - home, volume control and power. Everything is done on the conscience. Also, in these photographs clearly shows that at the edges of the housing is narrowed, and the convex chamber.
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On the left side of the device are all available interfaces, namely - the power jack, microphone hole, mini HDMI jack, micro USB OTG, a slot for MicroSD memory cards, and a standard audio output 3.5 mm headphone jack.
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Surprisingly assembly Hero 2 was a very good level. For example, there is used instead of soldering grandfather (mainly) compound via pin locks, and this is very convenient for maintenance. In addition, all done carefully and accurately.
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On one side is the motherboard, battery banks and interface cards (on the other - the display, see below).
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The heart of the board - a quad-core SoC Actions ATM7029. To the right are four memory chips of 256 MB, and the bottom and left of the flash memory of 8 GB. Along the edges of the board are visible contact locks for the right speaker and the vibration motor, and the castle which is at the bottom - this is for the battery. At the top of a yellow transparent film WiFi-
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It is located near the right speaker vibration motor.
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Judging by the WiFi-antenna design, it must have good sensitivity.
Modules of the front and rear chamber, between a compound train.
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The functional SoC term can be extended by functions GPS and Bluetooth, as we see them on the board provides space, but in fact they are not here.
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On the main board controls and external interfaces are connected loops. Under flat cable for external interfaces (one that large) hidden second speaker (left).
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Two banks of accumulator 4000 mAh each.
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The Hero 2 uses a 10.1-inch IPS LG or Samsung display production.
Performance
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Result Antutu version 3.0.3
As you can see, in version 3.0.3 Antutu tablet scored a pretty decent amount of points - 12 403 (in other versions, the result can differ significantly, this is due to Antutu algorithms, not all versions support benchmark (test) of the new chipset technology). Although similar Cube U30GT, only the 2-core Rockchip 3066, scored about the same in the test 11,500 points. As a result, the performance in Antutu ACT-ATM7029 platform was better than that of the 2-core Rockchip 3066. In addition, the two stated characteristics Hero frequency of 1.5 GHz processor, but all synthetic test (not only Antutu) show 1.2GHz .
Wireless connection
This tablet, wireless represented only WiFi 802.1 b / g / n, no Bluetooth, no 3G or GPS is not. WiFi The quality is not the best in the class. For example, smartphones or other Chinese MT6577 plates (or on Rockchip Amlogic) caught network through three walls, y 2 Hero with this problem. In addition, after the activation of the display, the network caught not once, had to wait a while, perhaps it is also the problem of iron and software. At small distances, and without significant obstacles, the network catches well and smoothly.
Display
As for the low-end Ainol Novo10 Hero 2 received an excellent 10.1-inch IPS display with a resolution of 1280x800 pixels, though up to 10 multi-touch that is rarely seen in this class. glass display and is covered with a protective film, stitch sensitivity
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The picture quality on high, clear images and vivid colors. The brightness level is high, rarely exhibited to the maximum. It is worth noting the high "read" visual angles.
The Hero 2 should display from LG company, moreover, is the same as in the dual-core Cube U30GT:
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Left Cube U30GT, right Ainol Novo10 Hero 2.
Camera
Hero mediocre 2 is equipped with two cameras, the front with a resolution of 0.3 megapixels and rear 2 Mn. In contrast to the front, the rear camera is capable of capturing video at 720p quality and has a few more options, but not many.
Examples of the photo of the front camera:
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Battery
Very pleased with capacious battery to 8000 mAh capacity. Especially for such a battery manufacturer surround prudently rigged kit Hero charger 2 with an output current 3 A. Due to this tablet is charged only about 3 hours. On a full charge in a fairly active mode, where the predominant web browsing, music, books, and a minimum of games with video (for example, 1 movie and hour of games), a tablet without any problems will work day and if not remove video games, it is possible to calculate and for two days.
But the constant games kill charge much faster. For example, the above mentioned 3d-race Need for Speed ​​Most Wanted defused the device in just 3-4 hours.
Soft
The tablet runs on a multilingual operating system Android 4.1 Jelly Bean (Russian language is). By default, the system pre-installed set of Chinese applications, almost half. Of those that are of interest and will be useful for our user, you can select reader KingReader HD, Flash Player, a standard web browser and email client, Gmail, Google maps, audio and video players, camera, clock, calendar and file manager. But most importantly, in the plate installed adequate working googleplay market, in which case, from there you can easily download missing applications.
Even excluding Chinese applications, basic software Hero 2 is enough to start full operation, and if that is not enough, you can always peek in the GooglePlay.
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Conclusion
Tablet with a new 4-core ACT-ATM7029, Ainol Novo10 Hero 2 platform will be very attractive. And with the new software has become quite a tale. Restrictions have virtually no no no. Now you can take full advantage of the tablet for prostomtra FHD video, web browsing, music, reading books, any games, etc. To this end, it is perfect, because thanks to the capacious 8000 mAh battery - Hero 2 long play tablet, and an excellent 10.1-inch IPS display - a pledge of high quality movies and the Internet. In general, the more you will be judged.
Video reviews
Instructions.
What is my HERO I or HERO II tablet?
Appears on its face distinguish HERO I from HERO II will not work. Enclosures - copies of each other. Currently known until 3 embodiment.
1 option
Go to settings. Go to the very bottom to the "About tablet" tab. The "Model" menu item to draw attention to the inscription which means Quad Core quad-core processor, and therefore we HERO II.
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Option 2
Like a roulette lucky unlucky. The HERO I in the hole Miniature microphone is a button reset (Mikrikov) and if there push sharp than it is possible to feel a click and will be reset. At HERO II there as it should be is a microphone and if you'll go anything can damage the shove it. So what advice advice but think for yourself.
3 option
Less barbaric, but a bit more complicated. Open the tablet and see the name of the processor. It opens in 5 seconds, seeinstruction. If ATM7029 means you HERO II
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Android user manual.
If you first bought a tablet or smartphone with the Android operating system, thenthis guideIt will be useful for you. Although it is written for the previous version, you can still learn the main points for yourself.
What is my LG or Samsung screen?
If V1 is indicated (see drawing), then you have a LG screen.
If you specify V2 (see drawing), then you have a Samsung screen.
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The tablet does not load. Hangs at the beginning of the download on the inscriptions Ainol Novo 10 Hero
The answer is a cap threadsFirmware
How to install the Russian language?
In the main menu, we find here is a icon (Settings).
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Click on the item with a little white icon with a letter A (for the future we remember how it looks). In the menu that opens on the right side, click the topmost item.
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Scroll almost to the bottom, click on Russian.
How to remove a volume key and a screenshot from the bottom strip statusbara?
1) Using ES conductor or Root Exporer. Expose the right system partition on the R / W.
2) Open the file in this way /system/build.prop.
3) Find the line:
ro.systemui.volumekey = enable - volume buttons.
ro.systemui.capture = enable - screenshot button.
4) If you want to disable the changing value of enable - enable to disable - disable this:
ro.systemui.volumekey = disable - volume buttons.
ro.systemui.capture = disable - screenshot button.
5) Save and restart device.
How to remove the red sticker in the corner of the screen without damaging the protective film ..
Upper paper wash with a damp cloth until there is a glue. Clay Wash piece of fleece soaked in vegetable oil. In this manner, the adhesive can be washed from the adhesive tape and any stickers, without surface damage. But without fanaticism, do not rub with a force, not a quick process. Just quietly, slowly, nezhnenko, rub the butter without pressure. After the surface of the oil, wipe dry with a soft cloth.
When will the new firmware, or update?
You yourself can track the release of new firmware on the official website of Ainol for exampleRight here.. Previously, than there will be, you no one can answer. Do not you know Chinese? Google chrom, orGoogle translatorYou can help.
Are there any informal (custom) firmware?
At the present moment, but work is already underway. You can seehere.
Is there anything in our tablet, Bluetooth, and GPS?
No Bluetooth, or GPS is definitely not.
Is it possible for our tablet to connect an external Bluetooth?
To date, no, maybe in the future when there will be informal (custom) firmware.
The tablet does not see the device (flash drive, mouse) OTG cable.
Try to change the cable to either connect through the wand. Post LinkingAinol Novo 10 Hero II - Discussion (Post # 22425847)
Which processor mode (Governor) should I choose?
1. Ondemand
Standard drain the governor in most nuclei (nuclei or from Chainfire - transfer approx.). The main objective of the regulator - to increase the frequency to the maximum as soon as the load on the processor, in order to maximize system responsiveness. Undoubtedly, it is effective - roughly speaking, every time the governor this poses a question: how much is loaded processor and if I increase the frequency worth? So, when the load on the processor detects the governor ondemand CPU frequency increases to a maximum and gradually decreases it when the load decreases / disappears altogether. Even despite the fact that the majority of users said the governor the best, he does not care about your battery consumption. Yes, the system works with him quickly, but often (almost always) the processor resources are spent in vain.
2. Ondemandx
In most cases - an ordinary ondemand with profiles to sleep. That the governor is a little more sparing your precious battery charge ondemand. When the display is off the maximum frequency of the processor is limited to 500 MHz. However, despite the fact that the usual ondemand governor is standard in the runoff nuclei ondemandh not on all devices work well, because there is critical opportunity processor to respond quickly to changing load and the transition from profile to sleep in a work. I once read somewhere that the work of this version of the governor greatly varies and depends on i / o scheduler, but this is not the case for most nuclei. Personally, my opinion - the best ondemandh working with SIO I / O scheduler.
3. Conservative
"Slow" version of ondemand, extremely reluctant to increase the frequency of the processor. In the absence of load, this governor uses the minimum available frequency continuously.
4. Interactive
In short, this is a faster ondemand. Much faster, less battery. The key difference from ondemand - governer determines the load when exiting sleep mode and works at a given frequency most of the time until the next "sleep".
5. Interactivex
Similarly, ondemandh - interactive with a profile for "sleep." Spend less battery.
6. Lulzactive
"Invented" by the user with the nickname Tegrak and is based on the Interactive & Smartass governors and is one of the favorites.
Old version: when the load is equivalent to or close to 60%, the governor raises the frequency to the next available frequency. If the load is less than 60%, then the frequency decreases to the next available bar. When the display is off, the frequency stops at the minimum available and does not increase.
New version: has three new parameters available to the user for configuration: inc_cpu_load, pump_up_step, pump_down_step. Unlike the old version, this, as it is logical to assume, allows more control over the work of the governor. We can set the interval in which the governor will decide whether to increase or decrease the frequency. We can also choose and adjust the number of available frequencies, to which the governor will raise / lower the processor.
When the load is higher than inc_cpu_load, the governor boosts the CPU pump_up_step. When the load is lower than the one specified in the inc_cpu_load parameter, the governor lowers the CPU pump_down_step.
Example:
Consider
inc_cpu_load = 70
pump_up_step = 2
pump_down_step = 1
7. smartass
Appeared thanks to the work of the user Erasmux, who completely rewrote the code of the interactive governer, the main task was set to a long battery life without loss of performance. However, not so good for charging the battery than its successor smartassV2.
8. Smartass V2
The second version of the original from smartess Erasmux. Another favorite of the majority. The governor is targeted to work on the "ideal frequency" and increases the frequency of a slightly more aggressive than the lowers. Various "ideal" for the screen frequency and screen-it-off profiles, and called awake_ideal_freq sleep_ideal_freq. This the governor lowers the frequency very quickly (in order to achieve the same "ideal frequency" is registered in the parameter sleep_ideal_freq as soon as possible) when the display is off and sufficiently quickly increase the frequency when the display in order to achieve the "ideal" frequency awake_ideal_freq (500 mhz for SGS2 default) . It does not limit the maximum frequency at the disconnected display (unlike the original Smartass). The mantra of the governor - a balance between power consumption and performance.
9. Intellidemand
Intellidemand, also known as Intelligent Ondemand the user Faux is as easy to guess, another the governor based on ondemand. In contrast to the majority opinion, this does not affect the governor OC Daemon (has different sections for sleeping and screen-he). The original intellidemand reacts to load GPU. When the graphics chip is already under load (games, maps, benchmarks and their ilk), intellidemand begins to work as ondemand. When GPU 'asleep' (or lightly loaded), intellidemand limits Makimalno frequency depending on the frequencies available on your core / device for storing batteries - a so-called "browsing" mode. Traced some signs of interactive governor, is not it? To increase the frequency of downtime depends on the CPU. Low downtime (<20%) causes the CPU to increase this frequency (steps of approximately 5% of the maximum available frequency).
Summing up the above rubbish, this is an ondemand that works most of the time in browsing mode, keeping your battery and turning into a “working” mode when receiving load on a graphics chip in order to improve performance in games and similar applications. Intellidemand does not increase the frequency to the maximum possible when the display is off.
10. Lazy
This governer from Ezekeel (one of the most widely conceived kernel developers - approx. Translation) is, for the most part, ondemand with the new min_time_state value introduced to determine the minimum time after which the CPU changes the frequency above / below depending on the load . The main idea is to eliminate unstable constant jumps ondemand.
11. Lagfree
Lagfri looks like ondemand. The main difference in optimization to improve power consumption. The frequencies change gracefully, unlike ondemand, which jumps up to 100% too often. Lagfri doesn’t “jump over” any available frequencies when increasing or decreasing the load, so you should remember that if you need to instantly get the maximum speed, the data governer is not your choice.
12. Lionheart
Lionheart is based on a conservative-version of the governor, who, in turn, is based on samsung's update3 SARS. Ottvikan was following users: 1) Knzo 2) Morfic. Author of the idea: Netarchy. See here. To 'experience' Lionheart using conservative, try these tweaks: sampling_rate: 10000 or 20000 or 50000, whichever you feel is safer. (Transition latency of the CPU is something below 10ms / 10,000uS hence using 10,000 might not be safe) .up_threshold: 60down_threshold: 30freq_step: 5Layonhart works well with the deadline i / o scheduler. Overall it feels comparable to ondemandom with lower power (but how much higher than conservative).
13. LionheartX
LionheartX is based on an ordinary layonthart, however it has an idle profile from a smartass governor.
14. Brazilianwax
Similar to smartassV2. Slightly more aggressively scaled the frequency, which results in a slightly better performance and a slightly smaller number of operating times.
15. SavagedZen
Another smartassV2 based governer. Compared to Brazilianwax, it appears in a better light due to better power consumption without loss of performance.
16. Userspace
Unlike all the above (and below) governors, it allows you to fully customize its work.
17. Powersave
It lowers the maximum frequency to the minimum available, and thus consumes very little energy, but your device will monstrously lag at a load slightly higher than the minimum.
18. Performance
It works with accuracy and vice versa as paveravev - sets the minimum frequency to the maximum available. Use for benchmarks! (the device is very hot, it may hang with a long load - approx. translation.)
Full version
How to get a ROOT?
ROOT is already received on all firmware.
How to hide the entire bottom bar on the screen (Status bar)?
You can use the application Full screen or HideBar located in the Applications - Tools TopicDiscussion of games and applications
And if we have a button Reset'a as the first Hero?
In our plate, no reset button. It replaces the long press the off button. In no case do not insert the microphone hole that has got in order to avoid damage. There's as it should is the microphone, there are no buttons just do not.
How to get rid of the squeak, and for one to know how to open the tablet.
If the tablet sound disappeared after being connected to the HDMI port.
If you have gone on a tablet audio is not worth fighting the reflash or disassemble the tablet. Try to start a clean HDMI connector thin toothpick. Thank you say -kaduk

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Post has been editedSergey_Ace - 13.10.16, 23:20



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As for the processor:
So, ACT-ATM7029 - a 4-core processor architecture ARM Cortex-A9, has a clock speed of up to 1.5 GHz, supports energy-saving technologies and processing of 3D-graphics. A graphics processor is not Mali400, as expected. According to information from Ainol, Ainol Novo Hero II model is equipped with just the ACT-ATM7029, has a scheduleVivante GC1000 . We will not criticize this decision, even though 4-core Mali400 significantly stronger GC1000.
Separately, it should be noted support for USB 3.0, which allows data transfer at speeds up to 600 megabytes per second. This is a huge plus of the processor, because the main well-known competitors support standard USB 2.0. Although, at the moment, devices (information storage devices, for example) that fully implement the support for a new high-speed connector, are just entering into wide use.
We emphasize another important feature - processor optimization for playing Full HD 1080p video at 60 frames per second.

A source

Post has been editedViLesikA - 08.11.12, 13:27



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death7lord @ 18.11.2012, 11:57*
p.s. appeared Russian sitehttp://ainol.ru- it is official. or not?

not very similar to off, soap zaregalsya on @ bk.ru no fiz.adresov, no company name
just zaregalsya this domain

and in that there PCT sold, little hard to believe



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death7lord @ 18.11.2012, 11:57*
4-core. percent \ video (instead of 2)

No, if we consider the processor Hero / Flame that he has 2 cores, both video and processor. In ACT-ATM7029 4 processor cores and2 video, but vivante 2 times weaker mali-that is, theoretically, the performance obtained is even lower than the current plates. Briefly Hero 2 + 2 = 4; hero2 2 + 2/2 = 3
If the concern is justified and Hero2 stuck Vivante GC1000, it will turn out even weaker than the current hero.



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Serge5107,
- Mali-400MP nor when he was not a dual-core or quad-core (in the standard understanding of nuclei)
- on what parameters you define that Vivante GC1000 weaker Mali-400MP? If the office. infa this:

vivane gc1000
630-1100 Mpix / s
315-550 Mvert / s

mali-400mp
up to one thousand one hundred (sixteen hundred) Mpix / s
30-44 Mtri / s

Post has been editedPUHH123 - 22.11.12, 17:57



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I understand only the first processor otlchiaetsya hero?



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taigerRm,
It seems yes.



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In the figures a little white.



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STV2, If you scroll to the end of the link you can see the black and another 6 color options
If to click on other links of the news section of the website ainola, we can see that the model presented is a black 10's and a white 7-ku

Post has been editedPUHH123 - 28.12.12, 10:19



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PUHH123 @ 28.12.2012, 11:16*
If you scroll to the end of the link you can see or black, and 6 more color options

There's only a colored lining, and the front part must be white. But still an interesting solution. Although confusion will be in stores ....

Posted 28.12.2012, 10:25

PUHH123 @ 28.12.2012, 11:16*
white 7-ku

I do not see about the 7 "model ...



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Found - Ainol Novo 7 myth.

Here you can see the packaging and the box Hero 2 - Chernenkaya.
http://www.ainol-tablet.com/ainol-novo-10-...16gb-white.html

Post has been editedSTV2 - 28.12.12, 10:39



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Unpacking a dark (black to brown backside) 10s

ainol pro-tablet already written a lot, your link has only strengthened my negative opinion - take pictures of the link above, cut - cut copyright1Pad.cn and to stick in the center of a: censored:

Post has been editedPUHH123 - 28.12.12, 10:52



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PUHH123 @ 28.12.2012, 11:51*
ainol pro-tablet already written a lot, your link has only strengthened my negative opinion - take pictures of the link above and cut off copyright 1Pad.cn to stick in the center of his

So all the Chinese are doing in practice.



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Noticed:
10 "- 5V 3.0A, battery 8000mAh
7 "- USB 3.0, 4000mAh battery



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some more pictures and tsiferok about Aino novo10:
http://audio.pconline.com.cn/info/1212/3131682.html
transfer:
http://translate.google.ru/translate?sl=au...tml&act=url



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In the description there "usb host 2.0" which means it a full USB port for connecting a modem and flash drives \ mice and other Pribluda? Or I confuse something?



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azeus @ 30.12.2012, 00:58*
In the description there "usb host 2.0" which means it a full USB port for connecting a modem and flash drives \ mice and other Pribluda? Or I confuse something?

probably OTG, full usb too thick



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The first tests Antutu. 10,600.
In samples from real games Hero II ..Vivante GC1000 only slightly inferior in close Mali400MP4 RamosW30 on Exynos 4412. (GPU [2D + 3D]: 1320 vs 1450)

Post has been editedChistota - 28.04.13, 14:40
Reason for editing: Publicity



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evtoushenkov @ 30.12.2012, 13:10*
In samples from real games Hero II ..Vivante GC1000 only slightly inferior in close Mali400MP4 RamosW30 on Exynos 4412. (GPU [2D + 3D]: 1320 vs 1450)

It is not that it is inferior, and the optimization of the same games under Vivant, given that there is no kettle for 4.1



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sdifi @ 30.12.2012, 10:05*
probably OTG, full usb too thick


I do not understand Chinese. Eken W70 in Via chip, not so thick, is no different from the rest, but stuffed full USB. In this case, none of 9.7-10.1 tablets with a normal USB hardware is not present. Is it so difficult to implement?



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azeus not to be confused with "complete" and "full-sized". Value and micro USB performance is not a little less.
Full-size do not make because of the size. Now no one will buy a thick plate when there is thin.


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