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About the topic

It has been a long time since the phones began to crowd out the players, a couple of years ago, smartphones were able to with primary-class players (Cowon, Sony, Iriver) the sound quality and output power left much to be desired for a long time, now the manufacturers finally felt the same vein in the world of audio, by which they are now making their way. The sound and emphasis on sound have become an integral part of every flagship device, full-fledged adult DACs, a powerful amplifier circuit, capacitors, precision modern clock smartphones, full isolation from interference and interference, and much more, modern music smartphones of the flagship class confidently left behind such players as Cowon, Sony, iRiver and can compete on equal terms with the initial hi fi players Fiio X3 / ibasso DX50 then surpass these devices.
In order for newcomers to know the decoding of abbreviations, I will explain the following:SOSH - Signal to Noise Ratio(the higher this parameter is, the better and better the DAC converts the sound, for example, the Wolfson WM8994 to SGS1 has 100DB of secondary and the WCD9310 to HTC One and 110DB of secondary)
Output power - Amplifier's ability to pull more demanding and full-sized headphones, the more powerful the amplifier, the more power reserve and better sound you will end up with + compatibility with a large number of headphones.

Archive of outdated models

So let's find out which headphones play better with which headphones.
I believe that the good sound quality of the following models:

Samsung download

- Galaxy S / Wave / Galaxy SIII / Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy R / Galaxy S4 / Galaxy Note 3
Of the Galaxy lineup, the Galaxy S1 i9000 is the most outstanding, and on board, by today's standards, is not the most advanced and very old Wolfson WM8994 DAC (4 Channel DAC, 100dB SOS), but still capable of producing good sound, tuned using Voodoo Sound.
HTC- One S / Sensation / Rezound / Radar / Mozart / Butterfly / One / Butterfly S
From HTC, the most outstanding, I would call the HTC One S / Butterfly S / HTC One - all three have on board a WCD9310 (8 Channel DAC, 110Db SOSH) excellent by today's standards + a couple of amplifiers from Texas Instruments (TPA6130A / OPA2064) and Maxx ( 9877), tuned with Project Era, or custom kernels, I want to mention separately HTC Butterfly S - for a smartphone it has just phenomenal output power (and excellent sound) which, coupled with the project era tuning, is able to ensure normal operation of full-sized headphones of almost any resistance.
LG- LG Optimus 2X / LG Optimus 3D, LG Optimus G / LG Nexus 4
The LG Optimus 2X also has a wolfson WM8994 onboard and is supported by the voodoo sound project.
Motorola- Droid Razr / Atrix 4G / Atrix 2 / Droid 3 / Moto X / Moto G
Sony- Xperia X / Xperia Play / Neo / Arc S / Live With Walkman / Xperia Neo / Xperia V / Xperia Z
Apple- Iphone 4 / 4S, Iphone 5 / 5S
By itself, the iphone is a pioneer in the mobile audio segment, along with nokia n91 at one time there were 2 best phones that are not inferior in sound to good players, use Cirrus Logic DACs that are not tuned.
BBK- Vivo X1, I want to give it special attention because this is the first smartphone in the world using a stationary DAC Cirrus Logic CS4398 + SRC The Klok CS8422 which, for example, stands in the top hifi player of Colorful Cololrfly C4 Pro at the price of $ 1000, the older brother BBK Vivo Xplay also came out with additional amplifier BurrBrown OPA2604.
BBK Vivo Xshot is also equipped with a CS4398 DAC and Maxim Maxx97220 amplifier (125mW output power) + a dedicated TI TLW320 ADC (it is needed for better sound recording during video recording, for better sound recording of a voice recorder)
Meizu- MX2, MX4 Core / Meizu MX3 - separately about it, this is probably the best budget option if you need a powerful combine with excellent technical characteristics and stunning sound, besides headphone output power is definitely one of the flagships in the world of smartphone sound, capable without problems Bleed full-size headphones, equipped with a Wolfson WM5102 DAC (108dB SSH).
Oppo- Clover R815 - Also a great option, with more modest characteristics than the MX3, but equipped with a good BurrBrown PCM5101A DAC (106dB Secondary School) and a dedicated SMT Electronics amplifier. - A full replacement for Cowon players and even more so for ipod for such a price.
TCL Idol X +- Smartphone with saber ES9018 DAC (130db SOSH) and Maxim 9720 amplifier (50mW direction Amp)

P.S - I use headphones Fisher audio consonance and Audio technica ATH M50, and what are you? : rolleyes: It is advisable to write about the model of the headphones used, and personal impressions of the sound quality, I think among ordinary models there are worthy of sound, I beg you to unsubscribe about the impressions :) Just write what kind of software to use for listening - various players like PowerAMP / Winamp and which format you prefer, individual accessories are also welcome, for example, I sometimes use a portable Fiio E7 amplifier (Previously E6), some people use LOD cables and other peripherals connected to Line Out.
Among the models of digital-analog converters in smartphones, there are such models as - Wolfson WM8994 (100dB SS), WM8994E (100dB SS), WM1811 (100dB SS), WM8903 (96dB SS), WM8958 (100dB SS), WM8960 (98dB SS), Wolfson WM5102 (108 dB for 44.1khz / 113dB for 48khz SOSH).
Texas Instruments AIC3254 (100dB Secondary School), AIC3008, TLW6040 (100dB Secondary School).
CS4322 (Mostly for Iphone, ipod.100-105dB SOSH)
CS4398 (120dB) + CS8442 SRC upsampler (Exotic in BBK Vivo X1)
Qualcomm WCD9310 (110dB for 44.1khz / 115dB for 48khz SOSH) + WCD9304 SRC Upsampler / Qualcomm WCD9320 (SOSH is higher than in WCD9310 but the numbers are not known.)

From tanks and amplifiers to smartphones, amplifiers from texas instruments of the TPA, TDA, analog devices, MAXX 9877 series (and others from this series) are most often placed because of their low power consumption and high power and signal-to-noise ratio.

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The output power parameter table (in volts, more is better, more powerful and more headroom, as well as the ability to pull more tight high-impedance headphones.

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Post has been editedwandererbk - 12.12.18, 12:41

Reason for editing: About the DAC in the player

[henrybp]

In the SGS2 stands Yamaha, and in vain. In the GHS1 was Wolfsen - an order of magnitude better. I do not know about amplifiers - but it seems that there is a saving here too.

[musickor]

I do not exclude that there are devices for android sounding comparable to devices
As for comparing the sound quality through the speakers, I think this way the sound quality cannot be distinguished ... we need good headphones to evaluate the sound quality
By the way, on the iPod, I noticed that when charging in headphones, hissing: (

[henrybp]

Now I listen to music exclusively on HTC Mozart - a regular player. At SGS2 I tried a bunch of players - nobody managed to fix the iron.

[Stasmar]

On the forum in comparison, more sincere look good reviews about lg o2x ..
I listen to a Sony wireless player - I don’t like wires, and it’s more convenient to do sports and wiring in wires, I think the sound is distorted in the wires ..
But movies on 2 superbl .. like in a movie theater ..

[NITROUSPEED]

henrybp
Although Mozart has the same processor as the HTC HD2, but the sound peripherals are strikingly different in favor of Mozart (they clearly use a good DAC, unlike the HTC HD2), I remember the sound of HD2 - it was a long time with him, it certainly is better than any musical and simple sony ericson wolfman but was also not ice: rolleyes:

[henrybp]

Stasmar @ 03/22/2012, 9:59 PM

I think in the wires the sound is distorted ..

strong. Maybe the amplifiers in the wireless headset are just better?

[NITROUSPEED]

Stasmar,
Many people think the opposite :) good wires from oxygen-free copper with a gold-plated plug will greatly improve the sound quality compared to wireless headphones, but if the wireless headphones have a good amplifier then the sound quality will be one level with wired but this is rare, it is still important that the headphones do not have volume control (this mini amplifier in fact also gives distortion) and at one time buying AKG K430 I lost a little bit with them (wires from oxygen-free copper, neodymium magnets, gold-plated plug) From has a volume control, I will take the following headphones without it, by the way the headphones are good: yes2:


P.S - this is it! Watching movies with 5.1 sound turned on is a real pleasure, if in music any improvers give distortions that are not very pleasant, then in watching movies this is the very thing :)

Post has been editedNITROUSPEED - 22.03.12, 22:16

[Stab29]

I don’t understand what is so good about HTC Sensation XE

Tipo chip bits audio? Driven bottoms and top by default? As a result, all the songs with vocals soundhow shitNot really
IMHO in androids so far no one has surpassed SGS


and so agree withPtyshke. Personally, I prefer to use a separate player with mechanical buttons. As a result, the sound remains only in the films.

Post has been editedStab29 - 23.03.12, 20:48

[henrybp]

I agree, the SGS1 is not bad at all. But why Samsung made an outsider from SGS2 - I can not understand.

[Stab29]

henrybpperhaps Wolfson has its own policy. Or there were hard problems with exinos

[henrybp]

Stab29,
Everything is possible, but the result was bad.

[vladislav1992]

Stasmar @ 03/22/2012, 9:59 PM

I think in the wires the sound is distorted ..

It still needs to be found with a normal DAC, it seems to be not so easy

Stab29 @ 03/23/2012, 9:36 PM

I don’t understand what is so good about HTC Sensation XE

This is the same sensation with gadgets, this chart is made artificially, many people like (from ordinary people) C-shaped sound.

NITROUSPEED @ 03/22/2012, 9:59 PM

better than any musical

they have good models, but in general, there are also a lot of vypendrezha with these lotions

henrybp @ 03/22/2012, 9:35 PM

Yes, everything is simple - in SGS2 either an amp, or the power is not normal. It is necessary to load on real headphones - everything is distorted.

This is generally a strange device on the sound side, every firmware changes something, then louder, then quieter, then “dries up”, then on the contrary, there are special effects. I did not try to load 32 ohm headphones, 16 pulls medium, at maximum volume it hurts to listen (loudly strongly). I still prefer the player, not chic, but with my ears go

Musickor @ 03/22/2012, 9:57 PM

By the way, on the iPod, I noticed that when charging with headphones, hissing

cant in the scheme

Stab29 @ 03/23/2012, 9:36 PM

IMHO in androids so far no one has surpassed SGS

we are just looking at it, you can look at the table with distortions, noise, penetration, etc.

[henrybp]

SGS2 + 32 ohms - shuts up.

[Alex_DFR]

Vladislav1992 @ 03/23/2012, 9:55 PM

This is generally a strange device on the sound side, every firmware changes something, then louder, then quieter, then “dries up”, then on the contrary, there are special effects. I did not try to load 32 ohm headphones, 16 pulls medium, at maximum volume it hurts to listen (loudly strongly). I still prefer the player, not chic, but with my ears go

I have 60 Ohm headphones (porta pro). In principle, the volume is enough (we should not forget about such a parameter as sensitivity), I already mentioned the sound quality - it is subjectively slightly worse than in the tablet and the ancient PDA, it is somewhat flat (which is not surprising because of the frequency fluctuations at high frequencies ), but my inexperienced rumor lacks a software equalizer to improve the situation.

[vladislav1992]

Alex_DFR @ 03/23/2012, 10:16 PM

I have 60 Ohm headphones (porta pro). In principle, the volume is enough (we should not forget about such a parameter as sensitivity), I already mentioned the sound quality - it is subjectively slightly worse than in the tablet and the ancient PDA, it is somewhat flat (which is not surprising because of the frequency fluctuations at high frequencies ), but my inexperienced rumor lacks a software equalizer to improve the situation.

I heard that on some cores there are different tweaks + combining with dsp manager, no one tried it?

[NITROUSPEED]

Stab29,
Yes, the schedule is exactly the same with the beat, the gsm arena said that they can’t turn off the beat because of what this ass is with the result, for frequency and electric music this frequency response is different, but not for other genres
vladislav1992

they have good models, but in general, there are also a lot of vypendrezha with these lotions

What exactly? I just don’t make sense in music very well, especially in music, it was 5310/3250 / N91, now 3250 is still wondering, 5310 at my uncle’s wife, and the N91 died quietly, I forgot the sound n91 but here 3250 and 5310 recently listened , and indeed ... communicators have advanced very far in sound over the past couple of years, the difference sometimes strikes: yes2: of course, the Colrfly CK4 or the audiophile Teklast T51 is still far off, but progress is obvious.

I heard that on some cores there are different tweaks + combining with dsp manager, no one tried it?

I tried a tweak with increased volume and a chipboard manager, a long time ago, but if you set it up correctly for yourself (and I’ve been busy for about 50 minutes carefully listening to the sound on each track in between), then almost any flagship device will play with it, on some cores tweaks kosyachnye and at max. volumes you can hear a strong sound stuttering

Posted on 03/23/2012, 10:18 PM:

Here for example the frequency response Nokia 5800
And the sound is completely different ... very bad

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Post has been editedNITROUSPEED - 23.03.12, 22:17

[vladislav1992]

NITROUSPEED @ 03/23/2012, 11:18 PM

And the sound is completely different ... very bad

It is not necessary to take into account only the frequency response, but in general the sound is average at 5800 (for the moment of release), but these 3D effects and this “trademark” echo immediately scared me away. I liked the sound of the windshield devices

NITROUSPEED @ 03/23/2012, 11:18 PM

I tried a tweak with increased volume and a chipboard manager, a long time ago, but if you set it up correctly for yourself (and I’ve been busy for about 50 minutes carefully listening to the sound on each track in between), then almost any flagship device will play with it, on some cores tweaks kosyachnye and at max. volumes you can hear a strong sound stuttering

This is not quite, with SGS2, the sound is clamped by some kind of unrealistic curve driver, it became noticeably better in Android 4, but if this dsp manager is activated, then it changes the sound "deaf", you immediately feel some kind of limitations, it does not allow you to change it really, it is better to climb into the service of tweaks, it changes better, but still the squeezing is felt, but on a motor walker I have changed a lot. In general, I scooped around this idiocy, I'll have to experiment) I stumbled upon the bitc codecs, it's annoying that it's a bitc ("c" shaped equalizer), but they say it's worth a try

[Stab29]

vladislav1992
I also posted a bit in the ics topic. I tried and demolished. The same effects can be achieved by setting up a voodoo sound.

[vladislav1992]

Stab29 @ 03/23/2012, 11:40

I also posted a bit in the ics topic. I tried and demolished. The same effects can be achieved by setting up a voodoo sound.

with voodoo sound and it makes no sense to try, IMHO

[Stab29]

vladislav1992
Well, I'm for the sake of experiment :)