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It has been a long time since the phones began to crowd out the players, a couple of years ago, smartphones were able to with primary-class players (Cowon, Sony, Iriver) the sound quality and output power left much to be desired for a long time, now the manufacturers finally felt the same vein in the world of audio, by which they are now making their way. The sound and emphasis on sound have become an integral part of every flagship device, full-fledged adult DACs, a powerful amplifier circuit, capacitors, precision modern clock smartphones, full isolation from interference and interference, and much more, modern music smartphones of the flagship class confidently left behind such players as Cowon, Sony, iRiver and can compete on equal terms with the initial hi fi players Fiio X3 / ibasso DX50 then surpass these devices.
In order for newcomers to know the decoding of abbreviations, I will explain the following:SOSH - Signal to Noise Ratio(the higher this parameter is, the better and better the DAC converts the sound, for example, the Wolfson WM8994 to SGS1 has 100DB of secondary and the WCD9310 to HTC One and 110DB of secondary)
Output power - Amplifier's ability to pull more demanding and full-sized headphones, the more powerful the amplifier, the more power reserve and better sound you will end up with + compatibility with a large number of headphones.

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So let's find out which headphones play better with which headphones.
I believe that the good sound quality of the following models:

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- Galaxy S / Wave / Galaxy SIII / Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy R / Galaxy S4 / Galaxy Note 3
Of the Galaxy lineup, the Galaxy S1 i9000 is the most outstanding, and on board, by today's standards, is not the most advanced and very old Wolfson WM8994 DAC (4 Channel DAC, 100dB SOS), but still capable of producing good sound, tuned using Voodoo Sound.
HTC- One S / Sensation / Rezound / Radar / Mozart / Butterfly / One / Butterfly S
From HTC, the most outstanding, I would call the HTC One S / Butterfly S / HTC One - all three have on board a WCD9310 (8 Channel DAC, 110Db SOSH) excellent by today's standards + a couple of amplifiers from Texas Instruments (TPA6130A / OPA2064) and Maxx ( 9877), tuned with Project Era, or custom kernels, I want to mention separately HTC Butterfly S - for a smartphone it has just phenomenal output power (and excellent sound) which, coupled with the project era tuning, is able to ensure normal operation of full-sized headphones of almost any resistance.
LG- LG Optimus 2X / LG Optimus 3D, LG Optimus G / LG Nexus 4
The LG Optimus 2X also has a wolfson WM8994 onboard and is supported by the voodoo sound project.
Motorola- Droid Razr / Atrix 4G / Atrix 2 / Droid 3 / Moto X / Moto G
Sony- Xperia X / Xperia Play / Neo / Arc S / Live With Walkman / Xperia Neo / Xperia V / Xperia Z
Apple- Iphone 4 / 4S, Iphone 5 / 5S
By itself, the iphone is a pioneer in the mobile audio segment, along with nokia n91 at one time there were 2 best phones that are not inferior in sound to good players, use Cirrus Logic DACs that are not tuned.
BBK- Vivo X1, I want to give it special attention because this is the first smartphone in the world using a stationary DAC Cirrus Logic CS4398 + SRC The Klok CS8422 which, for example, stands in the top hifi player of Colorful Cololrfly C4 Pro at the price of $ 1000, the older brother BBK Vivo Xplay also came out with additional amplifier BurrBrown OPA2604.
BBK Vivo Xshot is also equipped with a CS4398 DAC and Maxim Maxx97220 amplifier (125mW output power) + a dedicated TI TLW320 ADC (it is needed for better sound recording during video recording, for better sound recording of a voice recorder)
Meizu- MX2, MX4 Core / Meizu MX3 - separately about it, this is probably the best budget option if you need a powerful combine with excellent technical characteristics and stunning sound, besides headphone output power is definitely one of the flagships in the world of smartphone sound, capable without problems Bleed full-size headphones, equipped with a Wolfson WM5102 DAC (108dB SSH).
Oppo- Clover R815 - Also a great option, with more modest characteristics than the MX3, but equipped with a good BurrBrown PCM5101A DAC (106dB Secondary School) and a dedicated SMT Electronics amplifier. - A full replacement for Cowon players and even more so for ipod for such a price.
TCL Idol X +- Smartphone with saber ES9018 DAC (130db SOSH) and Maxim 9720 amplifier (50mW direction Amp)

P.S - I use headphones Fisher audio consonance and Audio technica ATH M50, and what are you? : rolleyes: It is advisable to write about the model of the headphones used, and personal impressions of the sound quality, I think among ordinary models there are worthy of sound, I beg you to unsubscribe about the impressions :) Just write what kind of software to use for listening - various players like PowerAMP / Winamp and which format you prefer, individual accessories are also welcome, for example, I sometimes use a portable Fiio E7 amplifier (Previously E6), some people use LOD cables and other peripherals connected to Line Out.
Among the models of digital-analog converters in smartphones, there are such models as - Wolfson WM8994 (100dB SS), WM8994E (100dB SS), WM1811 (100dB SS), WM8903 (96dB SS), WM8958 (100dB SS), WM8960 (98dB SS), Wolfson WM5102 (108 dB for 44.1khz / 113dB for 48khz SOSH).
Texas Instruments AIC3254 (100dB Secondary School), AIC3008, TLW6040 (100dB Secondary School).
CS4322 (Mostly for Iphone, ipod.100-105dB SOSH)
CS4398 (120dB) + CS8442 SRC upsampler (Exotic in BBK Vivo X1)
Qualcomm WCD9310 (110dB for 44.1khz / 115dB for 48khz SOSH) + WCD9304 SRC Upsampler / Qualcomm WCD9320 (SOSH is higher than in WCD9310 but the numbers are not known.)

From tanks and amplifiers to smartphones, amplifiers from texas instruments of the TPA, TDA, analog devices, MAXX 9877 series (and others from this series) are most often placed because of their low power consumption and high power and signal-to-noise ratio.

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NITROUSPEED @ 03/22/2012, 2:35 PM*
What are you?

Panasonic RP-HJE350. Their 650 rubles wager off great.
I don’t listen to music on my phone. I use the player Philips GoGear SA3125. Sound satisfied more than ..


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Hmm ... have you tried voodoo sound?


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Yes, voodoo sound is worth it. The sound is good, loud, saturated, in some ways even the player surpasses, but it is not convenient for me to listen to music on the phone, because I mostly turn it on when I go somewhere in the bus or go along the street. Agree - to find mechanical buttons in your pocket is much easier than getting a rather large phone from your pocket to switch the track. And not so I'm picky about sound quality, in fact.
So my choice is this.


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NITROUSPEED @ 03/22/2012, 12:35*
I believe that the good sound quality of the following models:
HTC - Incredible S

- I agree.
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Samsung - Galaxy S II

- but in my opinion - junk. Pitalov is clearly not normal.
Sennheiser PX-200 headphones are not cool, but with a normalized harmonic ratio. To my ears, the best sound is the HTC Mozart.
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And something topic has faded: D
And what battles were inTegra vs PowerVR vs Adreno vs Mali ...

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Ptyshke @ 03/22/2012, 8:44 PM*
And something has faded

It seems that there is nothing to discuss here about - ears, and so they hear. The only valuable thing is the personal experience of listening to specific glands.
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henrybp @ 03/22/2012, 10:53 PM*
there is nothing to discuss here

No, no, no, but what about the characteristics of DACs (tsiferki there any, graphics) and the rays of diarrhea in the direction of different glands, based on this?)

From my personal experience, I think the Nokia N900 (very soft and pleasant sound) sounds the best, then SGS with a slight lag, then the iPhone (the sound is “dry”, hard, flat, butHIGHLYloud (I don’t know if the sound situation has changed since 2G or not), then the Nokia E63 is completely atac: D
I had a lot of phones, everything is unrealistic to write.

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I did not think about it ... Wolfson vs Yamaha vs ESS ... But it seems that very few people are interested in it.

According to my experience (downward) Cowon X5 - HTC Mozart - HTC Incredible S - iPhone 4 - Nokia N81 - SGS2.

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Devices from apple far away from most smartphones and tablets in sound (there are rare exceptions)
With Shinhayzami i4 ears, and a lossless music bitrate of 256-512, the iPod sounds great :)


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Apple sounds great on Rightmark Audio Analyzer tests. But in my opinion too dry. Drive is not enough.
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I agree, in this sense, the player is convenient: rolleyes: yes, and compact + lives longer =)
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Yes, Mozart has a very good sound: rolleyes: In general, HTC, Samsung, and LG, in spite of the fact that each of the rulers is fixed on a tegr, then on a dial, then on an omap, they show different results in sound, because the DAC / audio chip is set separately from the main SoC
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And what is this? : rolleyes:
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Well, this is still a controversial issue, I compared touch4 and Evo 3D on an external amplifier and speakers (in fact, it's for revealing the true sound of the source), so the sound is the same for both, tobish is good, by the way I only listen to Lossless WAV PCM, and with a dozen There are devices by the sound equal to the iPhone on the droid)

P.S - By the way, frequency response graphics are welcome :)

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SGS2
HTC EVO 3D
LG Optimus 3D
Motorola Atrix 4G
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NITROUSPEED @ 03/22/2012, 11:28 PM*
+ lives longer =)

Exactly. I have the second week full battery.(I connect it to the computer once every 2-3 days to drop something, it takes 10-20 minutes, at this time it is recharged)

henrybp @ 03/22/2012, 11:23 PM*
But in my opinion too dry. Drive is not enough.

Here I am about the same.

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Actually test results

Nifiga did not understand: no:

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Nifiga did not understand: no:

Yes, everything is simple - in SGS2 either an amp, or the power is not normal. It is necessary to load on real headphones - everything is distorted.
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On the graph, it is desirable that the curve was not tubercles and rubble and aimed at a straight, flat line: rolleyes:


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In my opinion, the most objective characteristic of the audio section (if you believe the tests) is the change of parameters after connecting the headphones. The more distorted the characteristic - the worse the audio path.
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Incredible S - not bad at all :)

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Still, hand in hand, I will say - the best way to evaluate sound is personal listening, the sound is a concept that is so extensible that everyone has a different ideal of sound, someone likes powerful bass and someone has high-frequency cutting :)
And besides, when connected to an external amplifier, the true picture of the source’s sound is revealed, for example, I connected a Chinese iPhone (over 4,000) - this is such a horror ... the sound was mega-distorted and farting, the Nokia 5800 turned out to be better but not much ...

PS - About voodoo sound - I read about Wolfson chips, there are 2 settings in them: 1.) for maximum quality 2.) for maximum autonomy, that is, in essence, voodoo sound puts the audio chip into maximum quality mode, although I have to admit the same without it sgs and atrix playing well

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0.5 dB - a trifle. But the level of noise is high.

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absolutely agree. But a really good audio track using an equalizer is able to satisfy everyone.
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By the way, Wolfson WM8994E may also be used in some of the 2-core HTCs (this is in SGS +, so the voodoo project is not supported unfortunately), because Qualcomm S3 has a port for connecting this same Wolfson and driver.

By the way, what program for playing music do you use? : rolleyes:


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