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Purchase.
Went shopping Peter looking. It turned out that I would not find a blackberry in them. Unless, acidified, from old imports, models 8 ... I made a puzzled physiognomy and sat down at a computer to study online stores.

I found several offers at once, calling. Everywhere the same thing: goods in a warehouse in Moscow, our branches are sitting and waiting for orders. Inquired about prices, the lowest 13900 without delivery (searched 9700). Almost got used to the thought of a two-three-day wait, as I came across another mysterious chain store, combined with the repair of mobile equipment. An hour later, the courier rang me at the door, and I became the proud owner of a berry for 13,000 including delivery.

Later, I realized that the skills I acquired on 4pd to reflash everything that calls, served me quite well: when I made an order, the sales assistant repeatedly pointedly said that there was no Russian language in the device, but they can do this colossal work on linguistics for some miserable three things, and even set up the machine as needed. In general, it wasdivorce number onewhich I confidently didn’t fall for and did the right thing: at the first connection to the PC, the service program reported that there is a Russian in the firmware, it is simply not activated.

The second chipThe fact is that if earlier I always looked for PCT devices, then in the case of devices from ROME this is a serious mistake. Passing the certification, Blackberry is castrated by our non-specialists because of the progressive paranoia of the domestic special services. More specifically, one of the main Blackberry chips is cut out - the Blackberry Messenger. This is the thing that allows owners of the device to forget about SMS, MMS, etc. during mutual communication, and it is impossible to decrypt these messages during interception. The second castration object used to be Wi-Fi (now it is on firmware above a certain release number). In general, the situation is this: on the PCT devices with OS5, the messenger works and Wi-Fi does not work, on devices with OS6, on the contrary.

Summing up - ifthe device we take in the store(in the sense of the new), we are looking for three magic letters - PCT on the box and under the battery in the smartphone itself. Not found - fine, you can take it. The presence of a Russian should not worry, anyway, you repeatedly cross it. Please note if the Russian letters on the keyboard are readable to you (if any). On Bold, for example, I have smart letters, but I can't even write with Curve, only in transliteration (although some claim that this is the most convenient way for them). I will specify: you type in transliteration, Russian letters are printed. But, in general, no problem, engraving or replacing the keyboard is an inexpensive pleasure. There is a worse thing: if the keyboard does not have Russian letters, pay attention to the layout. Must be a qwerty keyboard. If before you qwertz or azerty, there will be, in addition to changing it to Russian-English, additional costs. Changing the keyboard layout and replacing the physical keyboard is not the same thing!
Option 2 -take a blackberry from hand. This is more complicated. You must make sure that the device is not blocked on ROME servers. This happens if the device is stolen.ROMA also considers contract contracts to be stolen by stolen vehicles.(Do not confuse with locked ones: locked ones are the ones that can only work with the sim card of a specific operator, you can always unlock it, the contract machine will only work when the contract is fully executed. For example, someone bought a contract machine from Verizon and immediately decided resell (its price is always cheaper than the market, it can be sold profitably), respectively, leaving the prescribed tariff plan will lead to blocking of the phone by ROME servers, and this is irreparable.
If the seller is connected to the service BIS or BES (access to the Internet through ROME, which gives, in turn, access to the company's services), he will be able to demonstrate this. We look at the screen, if the network icon looks like 3G with a blackberry logo or EDGE (no icon, capital letters) - the device is connected to BIS. If not, as an option, you can go with the seller to the office of the telecom operator, wait until the phone connects to the LSI, and only then pay the seller.


Connection to the operator.
1.Suppose you want to use the device simply as a call. No problem, even the Internet will be available, on all thematic sites it is written how to start it (for example,here). Only branded RIM services will remain inaccessible (although personally I don’t see much point in this application of smart, unless expressed brand loyalty).

2.You want to connect BlackBerry services. I have experience only with BIS (Blackberry Internet Service), I am a simple user and I don’t have a relationship with corporate companies, so I’ll write only about him. Faced with the fact that the "experts" of the mobile operator do not clearly understand what exactly is included in this service. Four such professionals (MTS) stated to me that when connecting BIS, I get unlimited Internet in full on both access points, five reported that in Russia I can only count on a reduced version, i.e. mail for 10 boxes on BIS unlimited, and that's all. At first I ran into the first interpretation, therefore, having connected the BIS (MTS-Peter), I did not refuse myself for half a month and was surprised by the unexpected spending of funds in my account. After talking with the opsox, I realized that I would have to go through experiment: I entered the access point APN: blackberry.net, rebooted the phone, and at the same time, for complete confidence, I deleted the MTS website from the list of GPRS services in the Internet assistant. In this scenario, the services were ROME, twitter, facebook, browser, i.e. all that is officially supplied or maintained by the company, or the author has indicated the transport is blackberry.net. True, the speed of opening pages in the browser is very small. Third-party applications, in which a different access point is registered in the transport, or an additional transport is required (for example, Qiwi), simply cannot reach the network.
If this suits you, BIS services are sufficient. But here everything is not so simple, as some applications will still use the access point of the telecom operator, respectively, there will be additional expenses on your account. How to deal with this is not yet clear.

3.The best option today is to use the device in full, using the BIS + tariff plan with unlimited Internet (or with the add-on Internet package of the volume you need).



Why did I write all thisIt would seem that the main part of this scribbling is elementary things, eventually recognized by everyone ...
Let me explain: I tried almost all the mobile axes, and each time, getting into a new coordinate system for myself, I lost a lot of time for such banalities. Newbies simply do not write about this, you have to pull the information from the dialogues of the participants of various forums from the world, or to waste time and money on experiments. I hope someone will help.


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Any (completely new or used) non-PCT BlackBerry can be with a locked BIS, ALWAYS check the work of the BIS on site, always put your card and check, 90% of sellers do not know what the BIS is at all, and the rest do not check, and 1% knows what it is and whether it works or not the phones they sell)

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Yes, globally you are right, of course.

Perhaps someone else will be able to share their experience in finding and purchasing a device, taking into account local specifics


By the waypunch through IMEIcanhere

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By the way, you can punch through IMEI here.


What is there to "break through" useful? to know the model by the first 6 digits?
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IMEI Validity Assessment

The Chinese craftsmen (a la Frankenstein) have cobbled together to assemble one apparatus of several.
There are instances of which belong to completely different models. For example, the Storm 9500 issued IMEI Bold 9700.
I forgot to mention this in the first speech, I confess.

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IMEI Validity Assessment

and?
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wrote above
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The Chinese craftsmen (a la Frankenstein) have cobbled together to assemble one apparatus of several.
There are instances of which belong to completely different models. For example, the Storm 9500 issued IMEI Bold 9700.


Nonsense, some of the first 6 digits may belong to different models, this is normal, it follows that the site is useless, the topic of Chinese fakes is not relevant for the BB at all.
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take a lookhereand comment, please. I recently in Rome: thank_you:
This is what I quickly found

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What needs to be commented on?
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the Chinese are doing it. They mold one of several models and pour the appropriate firmware into it. for example your phone: have it from one model, firmware from another and is defined as the third
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myrainbow @ 12/10/2011, 17:07*
the Chinese are doing it. They mold one of several models and pour the appropriate firmware into it. for example your phone: have it from one model, firmware from another and is defined as the third


Do not mislead people, it is technically possible, even for one phone model there are 3-4 different versions of the display that are not interchangeable. That is, if you have the 001 display version 002 you do not fit, no one can now “sculpt” the BB, there is a new a phone, there is a referral (in that topic we are talking about him + the owner’s ignorance and the same advice from others), there is a fake about her, we don’t speak at all, she is visible a mile away and they don’t have anything in common.

Do not sculpt phones! they have IMEI MEAP and BSN! which no one can change today, everything is simpler - not honest sellers (both Russians and bourgeois) change their cases and print boxes themselves)
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that's something cleared up.
Thanks for the information.
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Lord, ripe for BB under the MTS.
And in Moscow, where will you advise you to purchase only the new 9900 with all the options and the latest firmware?
Not Chinese and not repair.
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Gelsomino,here you can tryhttp://allblackberry.ru/


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You just do not know - there is no Chinese bb in nature ...
9900 - this is not the best choice (half-dead battery and other shoals for the first model in the line).
As for the purchase, it is better to order on Amazon or buy on ebay, if you do not want to overpay to intermediaries, and you can always download the russified firmware from offsite.
If you are confused by the lack of Russian letters on the clave, then you can find it again in the flea market. The same keyboards are sold in Moscow with a premium of 200-250%.
So everyone chooses for himself - in time and money.
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You just do not know - there is no Chinese bb in nature ...


The shaft of this shit ....! but it can be seen from afar confused with the original phone as it seems to me hard
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The shaft of this shit ....! but it can be seen from afar confused with the original phone as it seems to me hard

Show at least one ... Or give a link.
And what does it mean seen from afar? On the site is quite a specific list of models. If you are talking about Chinese phones, this is a completely different section of the forum.
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