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A lot of time has passed since the phones began to supplant the players, a couple of years ago smartphones were able to compete with entry-level players (Cowon, Sony, Iriver) the sound quality and output power left much to be desired for a long time, but now manufacturers finally felt the same vein in the world of audio, on which they are now making their way. Betting and emphasis on sound have become an integral part of every flagship device, full-fledged adult DACs, a powerful amplifier circuit, capacitors, high-fidelity are placed in musical smartphones clock generators, full isolation from interference and interference, and much more, modern flagship-class music smartphones have surely left players such as Cowon, Sony, iRiver behind and can compete with the initial Hi-Fi Fiio X3 / ibasso DX50 players on equal footing then surpass these devices.
In order for newcomers to know the decoding of abbreviations, I will explain the following:SOSH - Signal to Noise Ratio(the higher this parameter is, the better and better the DAC converts the sound, for example, the Wolfson WM8994 to SGS1 has 100DB of secondary and the WCD9310 to HTC One and 110DB of secondary)
Output power - Amplifier's ability to pull more demanding and full-sized headphones, the more powerful the amplifier, the more power reserve and better sound you will end up with + compatibility with a large number of headphones.

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So let's find out which headphones play better with which headphones.
I believe that the good sound quality of the following models:
Samsung- Galaxy S / Wave / Galaxy SIII / Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy R / Galaxy S4 / Galaxy Note 3
Of the Galaxy lineup, the Galaxy S1 i9000 is the most outstanding, and on board, by today's standards, is not the most advanced and very old Wolfson WM8994 DAC (4 Channel DAC, 100dB SOS), but still capable of producing good sound, tuned using Voodoo Sound.
HTC- One S / Sensation / Rezound / Radar / Mozart / Butterfly / One / Butterfly S
Of HTC, I would call the most outstanding HTC One S / Butterfly S / HTC One - all three have on board an excellent WCD9310 DAC (8 Channel DAC, 110Db SOS) + a couple of amplifiers from Texas Instruments (TPA6130A / OPA2064) and Maxx ( 9877), tuned using Project Era, or custom kernels, I want to mention HTC Butterfly S separately - for a smartphone it has simply phenomenal output power (and excellent sound) which, coupled with project era tuning, is capable of ensuring the normal operation of full-size headphones of almost any resistance.
LG- LG Optimus 2X / LG Optimus 3D, LG Optimus G / LG Nexus 4
The LG Optimus 2X also has a wolfson WM8994 onboard and is supported by the voodoo sound project.
Motorola- Droid Razr / Atrix 4G / Atrix 2 / Droid 3 / Moto X / Moto G
Sony- Xperia X / Xperia Play / Neo / Arc S / Live With Walkman / Xperia Neo / Xperia V / Xperia Z
Apple- Iphone 4 / 4S, Iphone 5 / 5S
By itself, the iphone is a pioneer in the mobile audio segment, along with nokia n91 at one time there were 2 best phones that are not inferior in sound to good players, use Cirrus Logic DACs that are not tuned.
BBK- Vivo X1, I want to give it special attention because this is the first smartphone in the world using a stationary DAC Cirrus Logic CS4398 + SRC The Klok CS8422 which, for example, stands in the top hifi player of Colorful Cololrfly C4 Pro at the price of $ 1000, the older brother BBK Vivo Xplay also came out with additional amplifier BurrBrown OPA2604.
BBK Vivo Xshot is also equipped with a CS4398 DAC and Maxim Maxx97220 amplifier (125mW output power) + a dedicated TI TLW320 ADC (it is needed for better sound recording during video recording, for better sound recording of a voice recorder)
Meizu- MX2, MX4 Core / Meizu MX3 - separately about it, this is probably the best budget option if you need a powerful combine with excellent technical characteristics and stunning sound, besides headphone output power is definitely one of the flagships in the world of smartphone sound, capable without problems Bleed full-size headphones, equipped with a Wolfson WM5102 DAC (108dB SSH).
Oppo- Clover R815 - Also a great option, with more modest characteristics than the MX3, but equipped with a good BurrBrown PCM5101A DAC (106dB Secondary School) and a dedicated SMT Electronics amplifier. - A full replacement for Cowon players and even more so for ipod for such a price.
TCL Idol X +- Smartphone with saber ES9018 DAC (130db SOSH) and Maxim 9720 amplifier (50mW direction Amp)

P.S - I use Fisher audio consonance and Audio technica ATH M50 headphones, and which ones? : rolleyes: It is advisable to write about the model of headphones used, and personal impressions of the sound quality, I think that among ordinary models there are decent ones in sound, I beg you to unsubscribe about impressions :) I also ask you to write which software to use for listening - different players are similar to PowerAMP / Winamp and which format you prefer, individual accessories are also welcome, for example, I sometimes use a portable amplifier Fiio E7 (Formerly E6), some people use LOD cables and other peripherals connected to Line Out.
Among the models of digital-analog converters in smartphones, there are such models as - Wolfson WM8994 (100dB SS), WM8994E (100dB SS), WM1811 (100dB SS), WM8903 (96dB SS), WM8958 (100dB SS), WM8960 (98dB SS), Wolfson WM5102 (108 dB for 44.1khz / 113dB for 48khz SOSH).
Texas Instruments AIC3254 (100dB Secondary School), AIC3008, TLW6040 (100dB Secondary School).
CS4322 (Mostly for Iphone, ipod.100-105dB SOSH)
CS4398 (120dB) + CS8442 SRC upsampler (Exotic in BBK Vivo X1)
Qualcomm WCD9310 (110dB for 44.1khz / 115dB for 48khz SOSH) + WCD9304 SRC Upsampler / Qualcomm WCD9320 (SOSH is higher than in WCD9310 but the numbers are not known.)

From tanks and amplifiers to smartphones, amplifiers from texas instruments of the TPA, TDA, analog devices, MAXX 9877 series (and others from this series) are most often placed because of their low power consumption and high power and signal-to-noise ratio.

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Post has been editedKenny - 28.06.19, 23:39
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Again, your humble servant with you, in order to start another mini srach and pour out your thoughts and impressions :-)
A couple of months have passed since the use of the fiio x5-3 player and I want to say that I finally found my sound on which I can stop all sorts of searches, a bunch of X5-3 and TFZ Series 5s, by the way, can surprise even very demanding music lovers.
On the player, everything is fine, it is generally difficult to find fault with anything and the device is really close to the 1866 OCUB, the PPC is not straight, but it does not lag behind, unlike the ibasso dx200 or Fiio x7 (for me it’s really a failure)
According to the bass - it was enough for me in the first revision, but I still felt some lack of skill in the bass, then I got really well controlled and powerful low frequencies which are as many as necessary and feel like slack as in the same sabras or cirrhosis.
On the sc - no problem, everything is generally smooth and high quality, which pleases so the lack of dirt and turbidity, typical of even more expensive sources.
Treble - this is perhaps the most discussed and scrupulous part of the player, around which a lot of hat has gathered, on the one hand you can understand the haters because the level of trinkets with a bright sound (somewhere it’s a beautiful color like in older astellas and somewhere really enrages like in fioio x7 ) about 90% of the market, on the other hand, when in a player where the rf is really high-quality (do not flash, do not crumble like on the same dh200 or do not whistle like on x7) and in the number of them as much as necessary and not as much as you want YOU, point a finger, doubt the adequacy of all the gurus sitting on the sun FIR doktorhedah and pleer.ru guys alou you like to listen to sibilance and sand? For God's sake, just do not ascribe to the normal device which is non-existent flaws that we hear you specifically.
Further, through the headphones, a wonderful discovery in the face of the TFZ series 5s, according to the sound, these are greatly improved points of x06a, if you can of course give such an analogy.
For 6k you get a sound that should cost at least four times as much (if you are guided, of course, by the trend of audiophilists and fashion in audio and not be guided by common sense)
Well, in order to add fuel to the fire a little)) however, it’s fair, the other day I listened to the Pinnacles praised and the dunes of dn2002, what the hell are you? Are you kidding there or are you listening to music no more than 3 beats per beat? Something more complicated than your favorite audiophile-sounding Chuck Berry (I have nothing against Chuck), these ears break into a mess and whistle and ringing on mid and treble ... despite the fact that the bass does not smell intelligible at all, are you really there for fun chtoli?))) like such ears you can listen ... I'm just shocked at what is happening with the portable world recently



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Can someone already tell me with my problem or express a thought?))



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Hmm, I caught my TFZ a very strange glitch
... the right earpiece is quieter than the left one, it is noticeable on meizu and on Fiio X5-3 and Sony xperia z1 / z3 compact, but nonsense! It cost me to cut the music through the vkshny not through the drain player, the sound became even in both ears ... on fiio through the earphone output, the left speaker plays louder than the right, but it was worth cutting in through the line-out and they sound the same, what the hell are these?



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It is a pity that he only seems to praise him. The rest as soon as not shed mud.

And when did this opinion of Roma become authoritative?

And, yes, I forgot ... you have the same hatred for Roma and me, as well as the love for "superpuperreferensnabsabra" as well as some watered dx200 (and just like personally I listened to him and he WELL DO NOT hooked)
Ok, and when is this opinion of those who allegedly sling X5 III became authoritative? (I also want to notice the majority ... I'm in that subject from its very start and so far there have only been a couple of stuffing and something from people who are clearly not listening to the device)



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* Hokadi
Yes, I just finally found my sound, I would not say that the difference in space is straight, for the lampophiles have already lifted up their brains)) but my companion and I put the X5 III very close to OCUB, despite the fact that in two hours I was watching, more lightweight filing fiio in comparison with OKUB

Posted on 04/18/2017 22:23:

* warlock87,
Well, do not be lost and not two like lampheads like to sing, because smarts are already well advanced in the sound and overlap the level of the initial high-end, but in fiyo the sound is massive, darker, and the HF player is just great, finally the multibit feed in the delto player



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The admin group purchased the Fiio X5 III Gen and finally stopped listening to music from the phone, finally found the sound he was looking for :-)



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* sogiking
The rule works - the taste and color))))



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* crazzy
Fives sound better, listen =) balance 2 did not listen but I would like to listen to the newly created series 7, although they will not appear soon.
Are there any owners of Fiio X7 or X5 III already?



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More than a week has passed since I acquired TFZ Series 5S, I listened to them carefully and want to write my subjective (!) Opinion :)
It all started with the fact that I went to sell my Fiio X5 1rev (Fiio X5 III will replace it), and there we talked pleasantly to the person who bought it from me, I wondered what kind of ears he would use with him? He showed me unfamiliar headphones and I decided to listen to them, the first impression was extremely positive, I inquired about the model and with that we completed our deal.

Then a couple of days I dug info on them, as usual I read a couple of reviews and reviews. (As I said myself, I listened and took note) I liked the Series 5s (from the 5th series, the difference in the wire is better and more reliable for 5s + with binding, in 5 ordinary) and went to listen to Mycroft.

By that time, fiyo is already sold, so I listened to Meizu Pro 5 (far from the worst source, as if in some moments it replays the medium hi fi balalaikas)
What can I say ... Fisher Audio Consonance was not ideal, but they sounded decently better than many models for 10k or even more expensive (I don’t want to make a holivar, of course, and I understand that my hearing is also not an indicator, but just listen to the same Senhheiser ie800 or Final audio, this is such a wildest calories and stand as the average salary)
But TFZ Series 5s is probably my ideal ... in general it can generally turn out to be the same militia leader (against blunt audiophile whistling headphones for 50k playing worse than average ears for 5k, and the same crazy audiophiles who listen more to their money and not the final result ) like hifiman RE400, Yuin PK1, Hifiman re Zero at one time.
Why do I think so and why does it make sense to listen? And take a note? Well, firstly, the headphones as a whole are pretty good ... sort of ... um ... too good, great! At first it might seem that the HF is somehow not enough, in fact, the HF is exactly as much as it should be, just in most headphones the HF are lifted up to get everyone’s beloved “Air” and pseudo-detail ... in fact, in the best case, we get friable cookies and in the worst case (as in ie800 the same Final audio) a strong peak on the treble in the form of a large needle in the ear or drill (someone like pain She likes it)

The bass at the headphones is powerful, it dominates slightly but the midrange does not score, the bassheads will be satisfied, if there is a color, then it is minimal, but rather the headphones give a really powerful and punchy flow without tambourine, without hum and dumb slaps (listened to the Children of bodom, Dragonforce, Demotional, Five finger death punch, Cannibal Corpse)

The MF is generally fire ... there is no color here and the MF is very detailed, not a hint of porridge, draining tools, turbidity and lethargy, by the way, many large headphones with a much higher class suffer from badly crafted middle, needles in the ear are not there either.

HF - there are exactly as many of them as there should be, there is no metallic ringing (as in ultrasound beloved ultrasons) of sand, but the one who loves light presentation with tint, so at first it will seem that the RF is not enough, everything is really ok with the range.

In general, many (and me too) had the idea that these are hybrids, only devoid of the flaws of much older and "respected" models, but it turned out to be a dynamic, with a 12.5mm driver working in antiphase, maybe the phrase is appropriate here? Does Matter: dirol:

I chatted a little with Roman, we came to the conclusion that with such ears fuck there is no need for the same boiled merlins (they certainly aren’t rubbish but have their own flaws) and even more so in kosyachny vestones, the final audio and sennas (I can now be thrown with petrified kakakhi but damn ... guys, if you really think that in your ears for 30k and higher there is a peak on the midrange that cuts the ear and pours everything into porridge and is this normal? then I don’t even know what to say ... probably you are listening to no more than 3 beats per beat, etc., but I personally listen to very heavy and rich music where little Rekos or lack is fatal)

So that many questions disappear, I will say that the ears were also heard on the 1866 OCUB, Cayin N6, LOTOO PAW GOLD.
And yes ... here the ears really grow from the source ... it sounds quite good, but grows decently with a better source (hmm, I wonder how they will sing with phio) but only who will buy ears for 6k to the player for 50k or more? Knowing our audiophiles who listen to anything but not music ... it's sad :)



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* soginking
PPC you have changed



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* casio-13,
I quite like the M50, but the truth on the background of the TFZ Series 5s M50 is simplified in the whole range ... except that the bass is less, but the HF and MF are simplified and refined, rather dry, the TFZ are more natural and racially correct



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After a long lull, i "l be back! In fact, it is incredibly pleasant and joyful that from a small Temko we turned into head fi in our industry (though not so extensive but also significant) as well as perhaps the largest and most informative topic in all Runet with regards to the sound quality of mobile devices.
For a long time, I was tormented by thoughts and arguments about everything that is happening in the audio world now ... on the one hand, there is progress (new hi fi players appear, stationary players, amplifiers and headphones) and we see really impressive and reasonable players and where it is degrading (alas its more, much more)
Therefore, I share my IMHO which claims to be true and has a place to live because it is based solely on the technical aspect and is not subject to the influence of emotions or fleeting blues.
Dispel a couple of myths.
Myth 1: Trust the gurus from the forums, measure it all garbage, listen to the opinions of the people, etc. (False)
Truth: Trust only the measurements and the readings of one or another source, remember that all felt-tip pens are different in taste and color, and that something you like can be nasty to another, a guru may love the same iriver ak380 and it will seem like trash to you, or vice versa, which no matter how authoritative a person is and no matter how many crusts and certificates of completion of musics of education he doesn’t have, remember - there is no oscilloscope and ADC in his ears to accurately and honestly evaluate the sound quality of headphones or a source. If the source or headphones measure rubbish and you are completely they’re rubbing that you don’t understand anything, etc. - this is a problem specifically of people and not yours, a problem in the head that prevents people from recognizing that they are tasteful (there is nothing wrong with it, but presenting it as truth is wrong) and not common sense. This is not it means that when choosing headphones or a source, you don’t have to listen to a thing and immediately buy it (not to be confused with the beginning of the article so as not to throw me stones later), just again because of the same taste .... I like bass for example, powerful and punch and fellow Magnus371 may like the accent tinted rf and a slightly protruding middle, it does not make sense to insult each other because neither he nor I are right, but the truth in the measurements lies in the technical specifications, well, in general, you understand :)
Myth 2: Cost = Quality (False)
True: the biggest misconception ... and the most oddly detrimental audio for the world, take the same AK380 as an example (No! I in no way have a negative for this unit) it costs ... well, kind of 200k (round off) if not higher, despite the fact that they invested 15k in audio components, God forbid ... that now AKM DAC has become worth 30 thousand rubles, or have amplifiers become more expensive that one mikruha costs ten? yes, well, drop it ..... a vivid example when a player merges for 200k I’ll clean up the players for 30k for the same measurements at least :) I understand that many people have psychoacoustics and a placebo ... but for example I keep I have a cold analytical mind and I understand that out of 200k I throw about 160k for sure not for sound or even for usability ... my main goal is music, the rest let's say is not important, then it makes sense for me to take a player for 200k, if there is 30k which is better in sound. Let's say the AK380 is monstrously convenient, beautiful, functional ... that just doesn’t make it the top source in sound, as many gurus think and present it (see myth 1) in my opinion it’s a crisis on the face ... when people are not interested in sound but banal pont ... although I must admit, pont is also a characteristic and very weight May (the good Pont - more money!)
Good ground for thinking, right?
So I thought ...
In general, listen, take note, but never listen to anyone, but listen to your ears and turn on your head :)



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Yo, bought TFZ Series 5, ears of fire, chose a long time and after a couple of years I finally found a receiver for my previous ears =)



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* Hokadi
Understood, I’ll do it, I think I’ll manage everything I need in 70k, so weaving comes out with Fiio if you count ....
just with fiyo there will be a fire with their new remote controller that fits perfectly to the car, no need to reach out, hop took it and switched everything.

P.S - I didn’t really listen to the devices on AKM DACs, who can say about their presentation? Is it suitable for a band and Dance With The Dead?

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And is it possible, can it be? Right away from the player on the amplifier, to throw a sound so that it correctly distributes it through the SAB / speakers? (Without distortions)



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Well, with the wiring it is clear, I will take good wiring (not idiocy)
The bottom line is that I do not quite understand the car speakers ... Through the aux from the player, a clear signal goes right through the head (any bomber tape recorder, because I don’t want to waste money on the radio tape recorder or the player also disappears into the car) on the amplifier? then do the cuts, throw the chains through the head so that the audio signal in unchanged form without processing and preamplifying the bomblephone of the radio tape recorder immediately goes to the norms amplifier (which will be the distinguished EarthQuake)



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Gentlemen, I need your professional help, I plan to use Fiio x5 III Gen in the car as the main source (via the Line Out)
What advice do you have? With the Acoustics / Amplifier / Capacitor, you figure out the principle, the most difficult and main question remains in realizing the potential of the player as the head unit in the car.



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So, Kaiyev and the Ger of all sorts do not offer) the choice is already made, the budget for acoustics is up to 70k rubles, x5 will be used on the line output



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Well ka bratki help out daddy)
Soon it is planned to collect high-quality audio setup in the car and the Fiio X5 3rd Gen will act as a source there :) will I naturally get the sound from the line output to exploit the player’s audio potential, think about this a little?

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