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volk2048 @ 13.12.2013, 16:47*
a real threat to society (I mean the country's post-Soviet) comprise primarily a makeshift desomorphine

m16progen @ 13.12.2013, 21:20*
huckster will not push a quality product, and as a spice dzhiguynyu


Well, that's the problem. Crocodile has spread, when it became difficult to find heroin. Spice - replacing the usual marijuana. The question is, what is the meaning of this struggle, if the result is even worse?



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volk2048 @ 13.12.2013, 13:09*
And alcohol is not it "legalized


As "wrong"? Alcohol is sold in almost all grocery stores. I do not propose to do the same with heroin. There are many ways to sell anything legal, but with restrictions. There are also medications that you are easy to buy, and a girl of six years they will not sell. This is one side. On the other - now in fact no control over those who sell drugs, do not exist. They are generally sold to anyone. Only it is hidden from prying eyes.



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volk2048 @ 13.12.2013, 11:40*
cancel or replace it with the same impossible to Ganj


Well, and drugs can not be undone! In this case, the prohibition leads to a heap of negative effects that can be seen in the example, and alcohol and drug use, and similar - mass poisoning with substitutes and crime around the illegal trade, etc. Besides, for some reason, when they hear the word "legalization", just imagine all sale anywhere in any quantity, and even propaganda.



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muza9 @ 13.12.2013, 01:25*
You chorus chanting a mantra, the essence of which is: time already alk and tabs, it is, of course, bad, but once they are still there, then let them add more and psycho-chemistry, maybe not worse Babkin Pervatsch will. ..


Not.

Posted on 13/12/2013, 00:27:

muza9 @ 13.12.2013, 01:25*
We see the difference of positions, not ??


Yes. Arguments on your side is not visible. Position is just clear.



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muza9 @ 13.12.2013, 01:19*
You chorus chanting a mantra, the essence of which is: time already alk and tabs, it is, of course, bad, but once they are still there, then let them add more and psycho-chemistry, maybe not worse Babkin Pervatsch will. ..


Not.



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muza9 @ 13.12.2013, 00:48*
Or are you one of those followers of freedom that seek for an illusory "freedom of choice" and other drivel achieve sales poison HEAD simple kiosk.


In my opinion, there is already twenty times explained what it was about. Not about this.

muza9 @ 13.12.2013, 00:48*
you know perfectly well what I mean.


We understand something. You - not.

Post has been editedvangrieg - 13.12.13, 00:09



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skalana @ 12.12.2013, 23:12*
Hardly a heroin can dance


Well, I am about the same.



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skalana @ 12.12.2013, 22:07*
Under certain substances is better to listen to music, to dance at sunset on the beach, a walk in nature or fervently seek the causes of problems in the country.


And, most interestingly, under the influence of other substances can not be anything to do. Therefore, it is folly to believe that a person who likes to dance at sunset, will want to "strengthen the sense of" pricked heroin.



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volk2048 @ 12.12.2013, 20:20*
That's another story


It's the same story. You cite the example of extreme use to prove that marijuana - it's bad. I will cite the example of alcohol, which is approved for sale. And you can still add that if after 20 years the use of a person decides to quit smoking marijuana, he can do it relatively painless, and generally remain more or less in the order in terms of health. In contrast to the same alcohol or cigarettes. This does not mean that marijuana smoking is worth twice a day. But it is the majority of its users and does not.


ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 20:11*
Most of the spirits Palenque.


Right, because for the production of counterfeit vodka has a powerful economic incentive in the form of excise taxes. If the excise tax does not pay, you can earn a lot of money from which to pay your colleagues, to turn a blind eye where necessary. Remove the excise and fake vodka will become smaller. Again, it can be compared with the times of Prohibition. How much would now be any fake vodka, the situation it is certainly better than it was then. Good spirits are now definitely possible to buy and bruises, zhruschey cologne, not on the streets.


ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 20:11*
And do you think that the shadow business that wants to move away from the excise tax and state quality control, and all of a sudden, the huckster would not trade the poison? Do you think that traders will argue: "Oh it's drugs, then we will not do shit, people Well may suffer"


I believe that the underground economy, earning super-profits in a situation unthinkable ban does not scare any punishment, and drugs will be distributed. Moreover, in the situation "as it is" built a powerful economic incentive for new users podsazhivaniya on drugs. In addition, it is clear that the prohibitions increase the demand for extremely dangerous, even for single-use substitutes. A disproportionately high price of drugs caused by illegal turnover risk, generates a huge amount of crime. With this need to do something about it. I believe that the solution lies in the field of drug withdrawal from the shadow economy in the state.

ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 20:11*
Legalization will flood the country this shit, because many of the problems with the implementation of the drug will be eliminated.


And it depends on how the legalization do.

ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 20:11*
the legalization of cannabis, allow unhindered transport large batches of herbs, as is already in place to produce more serious things.


Therefore, to solve complex problems better. Although more serious things without cannabis being made. Again, legalization does not mean free trade in bulk on the markets and in retail stores.



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Actyon @ 12.12.2013, 19:03*
we will have the evenings bruising not stale smell valyas in the snow and grass


Oh, by the way, will be less fights and killings everyday drinking. Although the mass transition from alcohol to marijuana will not, because they are different things.

volk2048 @ 12.12.2013, 18:14*
20 years of experience of smoking (smoking is - that every day for a couple of times


Interestingly, while 20 years of experience of alcoholism to each day a couple of times to get drunk, will lead to a better outcome?

ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 18:12*
will only sell vangrieg and no one else


Me something what for it? And it is generally translated to another topic.



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ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 18:12*
I ask you, why should they?


Why you asking me? Am I somewhere said that they need?

ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 18:12*
I'm tired of you lead the thesis that the drug is taken, both adults and young people, early death or prison.


So I do not dispute this and particularly, although not all drugs are the same, and certainly not everyone who uses them, end up prison or death, is associated with the drug. And I feel sorry for the children, I do not want them used drugs. I'm talking about something else. And you tell me all the time chanting about the children and about the fact that the drugs - it is bad. Poor, and more of what? So I believe that legalization solves part of the problem. And I express theses explaining why. You can not refute them, but instead repeating slogans.



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ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 16:32*
The main question is - why?


So it is written well. If you disagree with any thesis, disprove it.

ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 16:41*
why the masses need drugs?


Yes, no one offers to promote drugs to the masses.



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muza9 @ 12.12.2013, 01:15*
and at least a half ??


By the way, about a half of legalization.

Generally quite strange that I, who is considered here a liberal advocate state control over drug trafficking, and statesmen all the time they want to give it at the mercy of the market, besides black. :)

But if on the very subject, I'd legalize all drugs in general, including heavy. But (it is important) to act in relation to the drugs definitely need differently. There is that marijuana is relatively general, all known and understood, including the fact that it is used for medical purposes, and harm from it is not exactly no - any sort of reasonable grounds for the prohibition does not exist. There is a light synthetic drugs such as ecstasy, with them more difficult, they are not properly investigated one - respectively, limited distribution and maximum amount of information about the risks. There are all kinds of crocodiles, they should be treated in the same way as a fatal poison. And all sorts of heroin - in pharmacies, with strict accountability, with the production of the registration of all users. The key here, I think, to remove from circulation substitutes and low-quality products that kill people (and children in particular), bring a huge amount of harm to society, including the indirect consequences such as lack of cough medicines is now. Well, addiction treatment such as methadone Squalor also because of the idiotic bans happening. No less, and perhaps even more important to remove the economic incentive from dealers implanting new drug users, which is under illegal circulation. This is possible only if legalization of turnover.

And yes, when it is necessary to fight against drugs. It is because I have kids, I was concerned about this issue. Now the Chinese industry produces a number of synthetic chemicals that they simply can not keep track of all time and to prohibit, and they are changing all the time. And so they are almost openly sold in schools (!). And from them can really be serious consequences up to the problems with the head and the detailed outcomes. And all for what? To ban marijuana? Yes, of course, we are not talking about the fact that people can use drugs anywhere. Yes, we need promotion. Yes, we need to limit the rights of people who use opiates, such as the ban on driving, etc. Yes, we must protect children from drugs by all possible means, to prove the effectiveness. And no, you can not just drugs sold in supermarkets.



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muza9 @ 12.12.2013, 01:15*
no current Ruslan and sympathizers patriots, but even far ahead by advanced standing on the platform rabid libertarian, does not want to eynye citizens mimodumno consumed ??


Firstly, Europe was not even close to libertarianism, you have another mess in my head. Secondly, the Netherlands occupies a very strange position in this matter - it actually prohibits the sale, storage and transportation of marijuana, but de facto not prosecuted. The Netherlands is thus a party to international agreements and the UN Convention of '71 that does not comply. All recent changes there focused mainly on the fact that formally remove the violation. And neighboring countries also have different attitudes to this issue, but there are also quite a Puritan, for example, Germany.

muza9 @ 12.12.2013, 01:15*
So maybe there is something to be consolidated so different, huh?


Ignorance and obscurantism are not Russian invention, which here strange.

muza9 @ 12.12.2013, 01:15*
It stands firm on the position that everything begins with psychological needs to be under the most severe control acc.


Coffee and tea - the psychoactive substance.

ruslanbag43 @ 12.12.2013, 01:41*
vangrieg, perhaps you have a problem with the perception of information. Well, I will dream argument


You dream argument, of course, but better write here. Some that will not be a simple emotional appeal (let's save the children), an attempt to change the subject (at legalizatorov no children), a reference to something else ( "Practice shows"), and, moreover, taking into account the counterarguments that are expressed (including about the very practices).



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ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 20:56*
Not many people want to see his small home World sralney to all over the world people came, and sometimes washed-not people smoking drugs in the adjacent street from you and prostitutes sootechestvenits


Have you ever been to Amsterdam, by the way?

muza9 @ 11.12.2013, 20:48*
Year and a half (??) slipped to a message that the Netherlands began to press their herbal freemen.


Generally speaking, in the Netherlands is not very liberal laws on drugs in fact, contrary to popular opinion. As for the cover of freemen, there we are about to ban the sale of marijuana to foreigners. The reason is that the governments of neighboring countries complain.



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muza9 @ 11.12.2013, 23:26*
Current muse sees the contradiction in the respected rock ??


Muse sees no contradiction because in his mind the porridge. He does not know the difference between substance use and psychotropic, and he primereschilos that the other person was talking about "need".

Posted on 11.12.2013, 22:45:

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 20:32*
The refusal of "sane" people from the legalization of drugs, lies only one motivation, the desire to protect children from the scourge


The motivation is there, it is just in order of all. But common sense is not.

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 20:32*
your way of relaxation do not force anyone.


And someone who imposes what?

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 20:32*
Another way to destroy a nation ...


Argument, as I understand it, we will not see?



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Ve4erok @ 11.12.2013, 09:45*
not peculiar to man who smoked anything ever eaten such ecstasy.


Still worse actually. This is what happens on the prohibition of marijuana? Firstly, it takes a criminal turn. Those who sell it, can easily offer something else. Accordingly, the chance to try something else in people who initially do not plotting anything, becomes larger. Secondly, flourishes synthetic substitutes that most marijuana - all the horror of some type of meth with cologne instead of vodka. Thirdly, it turns out quite idiotic situation with the mixing of all the substances in a heap. Well, we have told everyone that the drug is bad, bad habit, dens, the whole nine yards. Man tries marijuana and quickly discovers that all is a complete mess. He must then apply to the propaganda against drugs in general? At least with skepticism. After all, if there lied, which prevents the rest to tell lies?



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ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:15*
legalizing drugs to anything good will not

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:15*
out of the question.

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:15*
step to the nation's health

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:15*
take the young and healthy gene pool of the country

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:15*
Young people do not know measures

alixey @ 11.12.2013, 02:31*
culture should be lifted

alixey @ 11.12.2013, 02:31*
Russian Vanka if something is possible, he do not care


Besides the repetition of slogans, there is an argument? All written discussed, in general, is already here.

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:15*
There are laws, who do not agree with them, that he should go to the forest, or in jail.


You see how the theme is called. You see there is the word "legalization"? It is about changing laws. Or do you think that should go to jail anyone who believes that the laws should be changed?



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ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:01*
Hand face


You have hands-person study? Ok, then it is clear, the results are not surprising.

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 01:01*
About whose IQ you said ...


IQ - "someone" and not "someone". Factor because.

I'm talking about your IQ said, genius.



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ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 00:41*
The IQ, the brothers of the mind to reason, potsreot, stereotypes ...


What strange words? : P

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 00:41*
when a broadcast start, it's more about myself say.


This is your grandmother taught spell?

ruslanbag43 @ 11.12.2013, 00:41*
0 mesedzh on.


Let's get to the subject. Try to give birth to something meaningful.

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